Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum

View Poll Results: Best prospect from the following list?
Dube, Dillon 188 49.74%
Ehliz, Yasin 0 0%
Fischer, Zach 0 0%
Foo, Spencer 23 6.08%
Gawdin, Glenn 0 0%
Gillies, Jon 3 0.79%
Healey, Josh 0 0%
Joly, D'Artagnan 0 0%
Karmaukhov, Pavel 0 0%
Klimchuk, Morgan 2 0.53%
Koumontzis, Demetrios 0 0%
Kylington, Oliver 27 7.14%
Lindstrom, Linus 0 0%
Lomberg, Ryan 0 0%
Mangiapane, Andrew 55 14.55%
Mattson, Mitchell 0 0%
McDonald, Mason 0 0%
Parsons, Tyler 75 19.84%
Pettersen, Mathias Emilio 1 0.26%
Phillips, Matthew 3 0.79%
Pollock, Brett 0 0%
Pospisil, Martin 0 0%
Rafikov, Rushan 0 0%
Roman, Milos 0 0%
Ruzicka, Adam 0 0%
Schneider, Nick 0 0%
Shinkaruk, Hunter 0 0%
Sveningsson, Fililp 0 0%
Tuulola, Eetu 1 0.26%
Zavgorodny, Dmitri 0 0%
Voters: 378. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-11-2018, 09:38 PM   #101
FBI
Franchise Player
 
FBI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher View Post
I guess that makes sense given Bingo's wording. I wish Bingo hadn't worded it the way he did, kind of encourages people to vote on completely different questions. If we could agree on the criteria that would be useful IMO.

The criteria or question IMO should be, "Who will be the best NHLer out of our remaining prospect pool?" Klimchuk will most likely not be the best NHLer out of our current prospect pool. He has a chance but its pretty dang small IMO. I'd say a betting man would have bet on Valimaki to be the best NHLer out of our current bunch. Then at #2 it starts to get pretty tricky.

Maybe next year we can vote on a question to get everyone answering the same question instead of 95% answering one question while a few others answer another.
"Who will be the best NHLer out of the prospects listed?" would be my suggestion. I think it captures the spirit of the poll and how most prospect lists are approached.
OR
"Who is the most valuable prospect out of the prospects listed?" is another way of thinking about it but I don't think its as clear and direct as the first suggestion

IMO who is the most NHL ready is a completely different question than what most of us are talking about. My list for most NHL ready or chance for a big role this year is completely different than how I am voting in this exercise.

We should all be answering the same question at least.
Or just let Scorp have his fun. If 95% of us are voting similar style to you (most valuable) then I don't think the 5% really matters. Statistically insignificant.
__________________
FBI is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to FBI For This Useful Post:
Old 07-11-2018, 09:48 PM   #102
H2SO4(aq)
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Exp:
Default

Well, scorp got his wish. Managed to turn this into a Klimchuk thread. lol
H2SO4(aq) is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2018, 09:51 PM   #103
TheScorpion
First round-bust
 
TheScorpion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
Exp:
Default

i had no intention of doing that, numerous other people bright up my supposedly incorrect opinion and forced the issue and i felt the need to defend myself
__________________
"This has been TheScorpion's shtick for years. All these hot takes, clickbait nonsense just to feed his social media algorithms." –Tuco

TheScorpion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2018, 10:04 PM   #104
Strange Brew
Franchise Player
 
Strange Brew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion View Post
i had no intention of doing that, numerous other people bright up my supposedly incorrect opinion and forced the issue and i felt the need to defend myself
As you should, but I don't think Klimchuk is so NHL ready either. He has turned himself into a good AHLer but I don't see him making the NHL period (at least not for any sustained period of time)

Other prospects will have a bigger impact this year than Klimchuk IMO.
Strange Brew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2018, 10:04 PM   #105
Harry Lime
Franchise Player
 
Harry Lime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Exp:
Default

It's not that crazy. Klimchuk is in my top 6 or 7. Guys like him, priced reasonably in the bottom six is exactly how you win. He's young Frolik for cheaper with a high floor and low ceiling. Nothing wrong with that.
__________________
"We don't even know who our best player is yet. It could be any one of us at this point." - Peter LaFleur, player/coach, Average Joe's Gymnasium
Harry Lime is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Harry Lime For This Useful Post:
Old 07-11-2018, 10:29 PM   #106
btimbit
Franchise Player
 
btimbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime View Post
It's not that crazy. Klimchuk is in my top 6 or 7. Guys like him, priced reasonably in the bottom six is exactly how you win. He's young Frolik for cheaper with a high floor and low ceiling. Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah he's still a top 10 guy for me too. Its not like Scorpion is jihading a scrub for the hell of it he's a good prospect
btimbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2018, 11:26 PM   #107
1991 Canadian
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Exp:
Default

I really like Dube's game. He's impressed me every time I've seen him play. He was one of the few guys who stood out last year at training camp. To the point that I was frustrated he and Jankowski were pretty much the only young guys that showed up. Foo, Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk, etc.. were all pretty invisible last year.

Smart, hardworking, great defensive awareness, decent offensive skill. He's a versataile enough player that I can see him fitting in on the 4th line. There are other prospects on this list that don't have that ability.
1991 Canadian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2018, 11:34 PM   #108
ForeverFlameFan
Franchise Player
 
ForeverFlameFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew View Post
As you should, but I don't think Klimchuk is so NHL ready either. He has turned himself into a good AHLer but I don't see him making the NHL period (at least not for any sustained period of time)

Other prospects will have a bigger impact this year than Klimchuk IMO.

I'd rather Klimchuk take the 4th line minutes than other prospects. He's a good two way player.
ForeverFlameFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2018, 12:19 AM   #109
Samonadreau
Franchise Player
 
Samonadreau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
Exp:
Default

All these comparison with Klimchuk to Frolik. I'm sorry but I don't see it. Frolik had 43 and 45 point rookie and sophomore seasons at age 21 and 22 in NHL. Klimchuk is what 23 now and can barely crack the 4th line? I'm sure he could play there and not look out of place but to compare him to Frolik doesnt quite jive for me.
Samonadreau is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Samonadreau For This Useful Post:
Old 07-12-2018, 08:11 AM   #110
Harry Lime
Franchise Player
 
Harry Lime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Exp:
Default

If he is 21 year old Frolik as a 25 year old Klimchuk offensively, but a 24 year old Frolik as a 25 year old defensively, does it make him any less of a Frolik in year 25?

Comparing equal aged years doesn't really say anything to me except rate of development.
__________________
"We don't even know who our best player is yet. It could be any one of us at this point." - Peter LaFleur, player/coach, Average Joe's Gymnasium
Harry Lime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2018, 08:14 AM   #111
Bingo
Owner
 
Bingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher View Post
I guess that makes sense given Bingo's wording. I wish Bingo hadn't worded it the way he did, kind of encourages people to vote on completely different questions. If we could agree on the criteria that would be useful IMO.

The criteria or question IMO should be, "Who will be the best NHLer out of our remaining prospect pool?" Klimchuk will most likely not be the best NHLer out of our current prospect pool. He has a chance but its pretty dang small IMO. I'd say a betting man would have bet on Valimaki to be the best NHLer out of our current bunch. Then at #2 it starts to get pretty tricky.

Maybe next year we can vote on a question to get everyone answering the same question instead of 95% answering one question while a few others answer another.
"Who will be the best NHLer out of the prospects listed?" would be my suggestion. I think it captures the spirit of the poll and how most prospect lists are approached.
OR
"Who is the most valuable prospect out of the prospects listed?" is another way of thinking about it but I don't think its as clear and direct as the first suggestion

IMO who is the most NHL ready is a completely different question than what most of us are talking about. My list for most NHL ready or chance for a big role this year is completely different than how I am voting in this exercise.

We should all be answering the same question at least.
Remember I went years making it very clear how to do it only to spend hours defending that structure and having some refuse to vote.

Sometimes you just have to let things be.
Bingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2018, 08:35 AM   #112
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime View Post
If he is 21 year old Frolik as a 25 year old Klimchuk offensively, but a 24 year old Frolik as a 25 year old defensively, does it make him any less of a Frolik in year 25?



Comparing equal aged years doesn't really say anything to me except rate of development.

But 25-year-old Klimchuk is not even close to a 21-year-old Frolik on either side of the puck. It’s a bad comparison.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2018, 08:38 AM   #113
SeanCharles
First Line Centre
 
SeanCharles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Exp:
Default

Top 8-9 is clear. Becomes less so afterwards..

1. Valimaki
2. Andersson
3. Dube
4. Parsons
5. Kylington
6. Mangiapane
7. Foo
8. Gillies
9. Klimchuk
SeanCharles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2018, 08:42 AM   #114
Harry Lime
Franchise Player
 
Harry Lime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic View Post
But 25-year-old Klimchuk is not even close to a 21-year-old Frolik on either side of the puck. It’s a bad comparison.
The way that he played in the AHL last year made me a believer that in two years (with some NHL time), he can get there. That's what makes this kind of list fun.
__________________
"We don't even know who our best player is yet. It could be any one of us at this point." - Peter LaFleur, player/coach, Average Joe's Gymnasium
Harry Lime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 02:33 AM   #115
Jay Random
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic View Post
But 25-year-old Klimchuk is not even close to a 21-year-old Frolik on either side of the puck. It’s a bad comparison.
I'm missing something here. Have you seen 25-year-old Klimchuk play yet?
__________________
WARNING: The preceding message may not have been processed in a sarcasm-free facility.
Jay Random is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 07:27 AM   #116
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random View Post
I'm missing something here. Have you seen 25-year-old Klimchuk play yet?

I’m posting from the future. I thought we had established that already some time ago.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2018, 07:40 AM   #117
Dajazz
Scoring Winger
 
Dajazz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sweden
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic View Post
I’m posting from the future. I thought we had established that already some time ago.
No, that would be sureloss.
__________________
Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman, then always be Batman.
Dajazz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Dajazz For This Useful Post:
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:43 AM.

Calgary Flames
2023-24




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021