It might take a while, but I can hardly wait until terms like 'woke' or 'wokeness' or 'radical' are gone from political talk.
But labeling people is so fun and easy. What else will people call one another who have differing political opinions? It’s really helping with divisiveness and hate
It might take a while, but I can hardly wait until terms like 'woke' or 'wokeness' or 'radical' are gone from political talk.
Its a construct of the far right I am sure.
Oh wait…
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"We must return to a federal centre, centre-right party," said another MP, also on the condition they not be identified. "We need a government that is down to earth and less woke."
In reality its a catch all for out of touch politics from people who seldom shoulder the burden. Used to be limousine liberal in the 90s. It still has the same impact due to the out of touch element the Liberals unfortunately gravitate to.
Nobody thinks it comes from the far right, it’s just a phrase the right uses to dog whistle to them because they love that stuff. It’s been used as a derogatory word across the political spectrum, it’s just kind of lazy and done.
Not that I meant to interrupt while you were trying to do a clever “oh wait” thing, just pointing it out.
It's been warped to label anything around pronouns, equality, social justice, and consequence culture as inherently dangerous.
In other words, those that use it do so because society is changing and they're personally inconvenienced by it.
It is literally a protest word against a different social order. Even though society has been continually changing for eons.
They just happen to not like change happening during their lifetime.
They also equate it to socialism and left politics for some reason.
Conservatives complaining about the new LOTR series as being too 'woke' because there are colored characters is just the height of pettiness. That's just one example.
The height.
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You're saying that instead of the official opposition not having a plan on how they would lead this country, which is bad enough, they actually do have a plan and... are keeping it a secret?
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Whenever media accepts money from the government it is bad optics. I'm sure you are aware that the CBC receives well over 1 billion alone. It is painfully obvious that Canadian "legacy" media is biased, if you don't see it maybe it is because you just like what you hear.
You’re aware that CBC does more than just news, right?
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Whenever media accepts money from the government it is bad optics. I'm sure you are aware that the CBC receives well over 1 billion alone. It is painfully obvious that Canadian "legacy" media is biased, if you don't see it maybe it is because you just like what you hear.
What is your definition of bias? How do you measure bias based on that definition?
A common way to measure bias is to create a middle between the most extreme positions. The problem with this approach is that it creates false equivalencies.
On racism where is the middle? Is it between racism is okay and racism is imbued into every structure because of historical oppression? Or is it between overt direct racism and systematic racism. Or is systemic racism drives inequality the current middle? So until you define the boundaries and middle how do you define bias.
Do you define the Center as where the average Canadian likely sits? If that’s the case everything will appear biased to a conservative Albertan.
Maybe the question should be framed in terms of the government in power. Something like for a given level of popularity what is the percentage of positive and negative headlines.
Then the next question would be is bias bad? In the absense of government dollars Advertising interests and owners interests will drive much of the viewpoints of newspapers. So is a push to taxpayer funded bias from corporate or Elite bias better?
Finally when “ alternative news” sources are used which don’t hold the same journalistic standards how do you assess the bias of those sources.
So when you say it’s painfully obvious that the legacy media is biased how do you it isn’t just you?
the phrase “stay woke” turned up as part of a spoken afterword in the 1938 song “Scottsboro Boys,” a protest song by Blues musician Huddie Ledbetter, a.k.a. Lead Belly. The song describes the 1931 saga of a group of nine Black teenagers in Scottsboro, Arkansas, who were accused of raping two white women. ... Lead Belly uses “stay woke” in explicit association with Black Americans’ need to be aware of racially motivated threats and the potential dangers of white America.
That the term would be co-opted by white America for its own purposes was predicted in the 1962 New York Times peice "If You're Woke, You Dig It" where William Kelly discusses the way much of modern language originates in black culture only to end up in white vernacular.
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The Negro’s pride in this idiom is that of a man who watches someone else do ineptly what he can do well. The Negro laughs at white people who try to use his language. He experiences the same glee when he witnesses a white audience at a jazz concert clapping on the first and third beat. [...]
The American Negro feels he can, on the spur of the moment, create the most exciting language that exists in any English-speaking country today. I asked someone what they felt about white people trying to us “hip” language. He said: “Man, they blew the gig just by being gray.”
Fast forwarding several decades, Erykah Badu released "Master Teacher" where she used the term "I stay woke" in three specific contexts: one, to literally be awake; two, to be suspicious of a cheating partner; and three, to be a black American paying attention to systemic injustice and the danger of white America. This song brought the term "stay woke" into modern Black social media circles, where it remained somewhat underground until Michael Brown was murdered by the police in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014. With the explosion of attention that murder and the protests which followed received, the term "Stay Woke" catapulted into the zeitgeist where it was almost immediately - as Kelly predicted - absorbed and stripped of its original meaning.
This leaves us today with the two alternate meanings of the word - the first as it is used by those on the political left as a byword for all kinds of political injustice or social activism, and on the right as a term which implies performative activism and on both sides connotes a certain level of exhaustion or ironic detatchment.
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Jeremy Mackenzie, a 36-year-old who lives in Nova Scotia, faces charges of assault, pointing a firearm, mischief and use of a restricted weapon stemming from an incident last November near Viscount, Sask...
...Mackenzie has made headlines recently after posting a photo of himself with Conservative party leadership hopeful Pierre Poilievre.
His group, Diagolon, was also connected to the charges of conspiracy to commit murder brought against four men during the border blockade in Coutts, Alta., in February.
But labeling people is so fun and easy. What else will people call one another who have differing political opinions? It’s really helping with divisiveness and hate
It’s useful to distinguish the liberal left that values individual freedom and focuses on economic issues from the other left (whether you call it woke or progressive or the illiberal left) that focuses on group identity and cultural issues. There are genuine differences between the two that we need to acknowledge to have useful dialogue. If ‘woke’ has become a pejorative, then pick another term.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
The rest of us should note it, too. Poilievre is not an outright extremist; his message is more atmospheric, more vibe than vitriol. But what he emits is still poison. What he telegraphs is the vision of a social order at a tipping point, with the suggestion that it can be easily pushed over. If his critics deride everything else he says, they should not ignore this aspect of it.
To miss the meta-narrative Poilievre has constructed, particularly when it’s unlikely that he’ll deviate from it as leader, is to miss its true long-term implications: that we would be likely at greater risk of social destabilization under his national leadership than we are now, even if it seems like those who’d cause disruption might be pleased by his victory. His message is a hastening of our collective systemic demise and he will be its accelerant, whether he realizes that or not. You think #### Trudeau bumper stickers and flags are bad? You think people yelling at politicians is bad? These will be the least of our problems.
It’s useful to distinguish the liberal left that values individual freedom and focuses on economic issues from the other left (whether you call it woke or progressive or the illiberal left) that focuses on group identity and cultural issues. There are genuine differences between the two that we need to acknowledge to have useful dialogue. If ‘woke’ has become a pejorative, then pick another term.
So what's the equal term for the right? Is it "far-right"? Why don't we just use "far-left" then?
Sometimes it feels like some people in our society enjoy using terms like woke in a way that is meant to be demeaning, and not necessarily because they are trying to have an honest and open dialogue. People also use all sorts of ridiculous words to refer to people on the far-right. Besides that, I disagree that "woke" is an appropriate synonym for people on the far left of the spectrum, and certainly not all people who consider themselves progressive. Some people, maybe, but as a "catch-all" its ridiculous.
Which is why the new leader of a major political party using the terms "woke" and "radical" for the Liberals and NDP is so disappointing. Instead of PP coming across as being open to a dialogue about what he feels is best for the country, it instead feels like he's trying to win some points with people who will love hearing that. And his actions, will only cause more people to use the terms as a way to win some perceived political points in our society. It definitely comes across as labeling the "other" as some sort of boogeyman rather than mature political discourse.
PP refers to Liberal partnership with NDP as "radical, woke coalition with the NDP"
Would you agree with PP that the NDP and Liberals are the "illiberal" left? Because you just used the word woke as a synonym for illiberal, and yet its being thrown around like candy by PP. I consider labeling anyone as illiberal to be a serious charge on their character, and wouldn't misuse the term for my own political gain, but that appear to be what he's doing.
I guess my last question, is PP advancing or harming political discourse in this country when he says things like this?
It’s useful to distinguish the liberal left that values individual freedom and focuses on economic issues from the other left (whether you call it woke or progressive or the illiberal left) that focuses on group identity and cultural issues. There are genuine differences between the two that we need to acknowledge to have useful dialogue. If ‘woke’ has become a pejorative, then pick another term.
Man who exerts most of his time online arguing against tribalism and labelling others repeatedly acts confuses over what he is to do if not to use the term woke to label the one of the two tribes he’s defined on the left.
Too funny.
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I've never seen why a politician being in a picture with someone is a big deal. I mean I haven't been to any political rallies lately, but I imagine pretty much anyone could have gone up to PP during an event and said "hey, can I get a picture with you?"
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