Actor Formerly Known as Ellen Page, Now Elliot Page

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Those people are members of the intolerant left. I value their opinions as much as the religious right when they were telling people that rock music was the work of Satan.

Actually, those people are transgendered individuals, groups, and allies that understand and accept that calling someone by the wrong name is disrespectful. No matter how you identify, calling someone the wrong name is disrespectful.

Fortunately, most people, including Cecil, are willing to inform people outside of those communities of this politely and respectfully, and most people would understand an honest mistake.

It's not ammo for the "intolerant left". It's a faux pas that's easily avoidable once you know.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It is worth noting even using his deadname is considered highly offensive and transphobic by some people.

Does this mean we have to remove the credits in previous movies?

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Does this mean we have to remove the credits in previous movies?

There has to be some contexts where using the deadname is acceptable no?

For example, IMDB refers to their credited name at the time it was made in brackets. That can't possibly be offensive can it?

[Erick Estrada]

I have to admit when this news first broke I saw a headline regarding Canadian Actor Elliot Page and I was thinking that I didn't realize that Ellen had a brother who was also an actor. As long as he's happier than before with the change that's all that matters.

[Engine09]

As with Mina Caputo who I am a massive fan of, I'll respect Elliot Page. Huge respect to anyone who is brave enough to be true to who they are.


Might as well ask this here, have always been confused by the "they" thing.

Is that just because that person does not want to be called "him" or "her"? Is that the main reason?

Doesn't always make sense with me since "they" is usually used for a group or more than 1 person.

[BlackRedGold25]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Actually, those people are transgendered individuals, groups, and allies that understand and accept that calling someone by the wrong name is disrespectful. No matter how you identify, calling someone the wrong name is disrespectful.

Fortunately, most people, including Cecil, are willing to inform people outside of those communities of this politely and respectfully, and most people would understand an honest mistake.

It's not ammo for the "intolerant left". It's a faux pas that's easily avoidable once you know.

Married women who get called by their maiden name don't get offended, or find it offensive because their old name was a real thing. What is offensive is triggered snowflakes who try to compel the speech of others. Trying to deny that Ellen Page starred in the first 2 seasons of the Umbrella Academy is like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand or believing the earth is flat.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Married women who get called by their maiden name don't get offended, or find it offensive because their old name was a real thing. What is offensive is triggered snowflakes who try to compel the speech of others. Trying to deny that Ellen Page starred in the first 2 seasons of the Umbrella Academy is like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand or believing the earth is flat.

You sound triggered. Is it that tough to call someone by their chosen name? Do you still call Ali and Kareem by their previous names?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Married women who get called by their maiden name don't get offended, or find it offensive because their old name was a real thing. What is offensive is triggered snowflakes who try to compel the speech of others. Trying to deny that Ellen Page starred in the first 2 seasons of the Umbrella Academy is like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand or believing the earth is flat.

Ah, so you're a ####ty person. Got it.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Muffins

There has to be some contexts where using the deadname is acceptable no?

For example, IMDB refers to their credited name at the time it was made in brackets. That can't possibly be offensive can it?

A small minority might find it offensive, but to the reasonable population, no. I think actors understand the rules regarding credits.



IMDB will list them what they were credited as, because that's what the credit says in the movie.



Netflix and streaming services can change their metadata easily enough so that when you search for Elliot Page all their old movies come up. But the print of the movie still has the old credit, that's not something that's going to change. Same applies to the Wachowskis and their credit history.



In the end it would come down to the individual and their wishes. For example Caitlyn Jenner wants Bruce to be used when referencing their decathlon career.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Married women who get called by their maiden name don't get offended, or find it offensive because their old name was a real thing. What is offensive is triggered snowflakes who try to compel the speech of others. Trying to deny that Ellen Page starred in the first 2 seasons of the Umbrella Academy is like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand or believing the earth is flat.

We've located the Jordan Peterson fan.

It's about respect and just doing something simple like calling someone a name or a pronoun that they prefer. It's incredibly easy to do. If your name was Gary, I'd call you Gary. Not Patricia. Because your name is Gary and calling you Patricia would be stupid.

And I believe trans people generally prefer that if someone uses an incorrect pronoun or a deadname, to simply apologize and the move on correctly.

[BlackRedGold25]

Originally Posted by metallicat

We've located the Jordan Peterson fan.

It's about respect and just doing something simple like calling someone a name or a pronoun that they prefer. It's incredibly easy to do. If your name was Gary, I'd call you Gary. Not Patricia. Because your name is Gary and calling you Patricia would be stupid.

And I believe trans people generally prefer that if someone uses an incorrect pronoun or a deadname, to simply apologize and the move on correctly.

Deadname is a stupid term. It's a former name. Did your mom try and deny she had a maiden name?

It's not about calling someone by their former name. It's about people getting offended by being called by their former name, which is embarrassingly stupid.

[btimbit]

That's really cool, by all accounts they're a terrific person. Glad this is making them happy

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Deadname is a stupid term. It's a former name. Did your mom try and deny she had a maiden name?

It's not about calling someone by their former name. It's about people getting offended by being called by their former name, which is embarrassingly stupid.

Why can’t you just call them their chosen name? It unlikely anyone is going to be offended unless you’re using the wrong name on purpose.

[BlackRedGold25]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Why can’t you just call them their chosen name? It unlikely anyone is going to be offended unless you’re using the wrong name on purpose.

Are you slow or just illiterate? We've already established that the intolerant left is offended by anyone using people's former names.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Why can’t you just call them their chosen name? It unlikely anyone is going to be offended unless you’re using the wrong name on purpose.

Actually that's his exact point. Some people DO get offended. In fact, there's a whole segment of people who not just get offended, but try to shame the people using the 'old' name.

If I changed my legal name tomorrow after 40 years I have a pretty good suspicion some people may slip and still call me by my original name. Not to be disrespectful, but your know, because that was the name they have been calling you for years.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Are you slow or just illiterate? We've already established that the intolerant left is offended by anyone using people's former names.

No, we haven’t. I’m not sure why you’re questioning my intelligence while you do nothing but spout talking points.

Is there a reason you can’t answer my question? Do you purposely call trans people by the wrong name?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Married women who get called by their maiden name don't get offended, or find it offensive because their old name was a real thing. What is offensive is triggered snowflakes who try to compel the speech of others. Trying to deny that Ellen Page starred in the first 2 seasons of the Umbrella Academy is like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand or believing the earth is flat.

Here's the thing: me, you, and others have been policing and altering our own language since we learned it. Language is evolving. What we say, how we say it, to whom we say it, and when we say it has always been a part of our lives.

Think of the words you could say 15 years ago...10 years ago...and to whom and when you could say them. It's not triggered snowflakes, it's people collectively acknowledging certain terms and phrases are offensive to the people they target or reference.

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

Deadname is a stupid term. It's a former name. Did your mom try and deny she had a maiden name?

Maiden name is a stupid term. It's a former name....

It's not about calling someone by their former name. It's about people getting offended by being called by their former name, which is embarrassingly stupid.

That depends on context. I know that's too nebulous for some, but basically it depends on intent. If you don't know, the majority of people are willing to forgive and inform. If you know and slip up, the majority of people are willing to forgive and inform. If you're purposely defying, the majority of people are justified in condemning and shaming.

It's OK to be offended. It's how they respond to the offense, and how those people offending respond. Again, it's highly contextualized.

I can't speak for Elliot Page, or anyone in his position, but I can't imagine past accreditation is at the top of concerns.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Actually that's his exact point. Some people DO get offended. In fact, there's a whole segment of people who not just get offended, but try to shame the people using the 'old' name.

My point is this isn’t an issue unless you’re willfully being offensive. If you misgender a trans person you’re likely to be corrected but only shamed if you’re being an ####### about it.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Engine09

As with Mina Caputo who I am a massive fan of, I'll respect Elliot Page. Huge respect to anyone who is brave enough to be true to who they are.


Might as well ask this here, have always been confused by the "they" thing.

Is that just because that person does not want to be called "him" or "her"? Is that the main reason?

Doesn't always make sense with me since "they" is usually used for a group or more than 1 person.

They - broadly - is a neutral term for non-binary groups of two or more. It can also be applied individually in certain specific circumstances, though seems awkward to what we've learned.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

My point is this isn’t an issue unless you’re willfully being offensive. If you misgender a trans person you’re likely to be corrected but only shamed if you’re being an ####### about it.

But that’s not true . There is a group of people who look to shame people for things like this .

I think we are in agreeance - as long as the intent isn’t malicious everyone should be tolerant and understand that a name change MAY result in the off slippage of the old name

The issue is always the extreme on both sides