[Signing] Oilers extend F Leon Draisaitl (8x$14M AAV)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

the scenario you are building out is 2026-27.

that is my entire point in this thread.

the Oilers have 2 kicks at the can over the next 2 years.

it's not just this year or bust. McDavid is signed for 2 more years.

They will have to cut depth starting next year...its math its not a debate. 5.5M raise for Drai plus Bouchard's raise. These are actually bigger raises than McDavid is likely to get.

You are also admitting their window is done in year ONE of McDavid's deal? progress?

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by dino7c

7M on Kadri is "all in"

Dude shut up

You are Flames MAGA

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

You are Flames MAGA

The Oilers are MAGA
the propaganda, the lies, comparing mortals to jesus christ, talking about all the winning that hasn't happened, cup was stolen from them cause Gary rigged it.

Saying the Flames went all in on Kadri is ridiculous...he is a 7M contract. That is a slightly above average player these days.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They will have to cut depth starting next year...its math its not a debate.

You are also admitting their window is done in year ONE of McDavid's deal? progress?

I actually think the Oilers cap issues from a pure "fitting these guys in" perspective isn't that bad, but to your point it's going to be the depth and lack of young prospects to fill those holes that kills them.

Next year they probably need to lose J.Skinner and buyout Kane and will be able to fit in the Bouchard/Draisaitls raises.

Buyout Changes: $0.7M (net of Neal/Campbell)
Bonus Structure: $3.55M
Skinner: $3.0M
Kane Buyout: $2.7M
Cap Increase: $4.4M (Estimated 5% increase)

Total: $14.35M

Let's say they need $11.5M for Bouchard/Draisaitl's raises, and then 2 $1M players to replace Kane/Skinner. That will put them at $13.5M.

So it's going to lose depth but I think the point is it doesn't completely crater them yet.

Then the following season they have to fit in McDavid's raise and Skinner, but they will be losing a lot of aging veterans salary caps at that point.

McDavid: $12.5M
Ekholm: $6.0M
Arvidsson: $4.0M
Henrique: $3.0M
Kulak: $2.75M
Skinner: $2.6M

Let's assume the 26-27 salary cap is $96M

They will have:

McDavid: $16.25M
Draisaitl: $14M
Hyman: $5.5M
RNH: $5.125M
Janmark: $1.45M
Savoie: $0.9M

Nurse: $9.25M
Bouchard: $10M
Akey/Wanner: $0.9M

Skinner: $7.0M

So that's $70.4M...leaving $26.4M to fill out 7 fowards, 4 dmen, and a goalie. Or an average of $2.2M per signing.

So it's doable but they are really going to be relying on aging UFAs being willing to sign cheap short term deals to fill out that roster because they have such a depleted prospect pool, and likely will be moving even more picks out these next 2 seasons.

Edit: I forgot about the buyouts. So that would be -$1.3 for Kane and -$2.6M for Campbell...so that makes things a lot tighter

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Oilers are MAGA
the propaganda, the lies, comparing mortals to jesus christ, talking about all the winning that hasn't happened, cup was stolen from them cause Gary rigged it.

Saying the Flames went all in on Kadri is ridiculous...he is a 7M contract. That is a slightly above average player these days.

Every village has one. Thanks for being ours.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Every village has one. Thanks for being ours.

did you create a burner account just to bash me...post history certainly looks that way, pretty sad. Sign into your other account now and thank the post lol

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I actually think the Oilers cap issues from a pure "fitting these guys in" perspective isn't that bad, but to your point it's going to be the depth and lack of young prospects to fill those holes that kills them.

Next year they probably need to lose J.Skinner and buyout Kane and will be able to fit in the Bouchard/Draisaitls raises.

Buyout Changes: $0.7M (net of Neal/Campbell)
Bonus Structure: $3.55M
Skinner: $3.0M
Kane Buyout: $2.7M
Cap Increase: $4.4M (Estimated 5% increase)

Total: $14.35M

Let's say they need $11.5M for Bouchard/Draisaitl's raises, and then 2 $1M players to replace Kane/Skinner. That will put them at $13.5M.

So it's going to lose depth but I think the point is it doesn't completely crater them yet.

Then the following season they have to fit in McDavid's raise and Skinner, but they will be losing a lot of aging veterans salary caps at that point.

McDavid: $12.5M
Ekholm: $6.0M
Arvidsson: $4.0M
Henrique: $3.0M
Kulak: $2.75M
Skinner: $2.6M

Let's assume the 26-27 salary cap is $96M

They will have:

McDavid: $16.25M
Draisaitl: $14M
Hyman: $5.5M
RNH: $5.125M
Janmark: $1.45M
Savoie: $0.9M

Nurse: $9.25M
Bouchard: $10M
Akey/Wanner: $0.9M

Skinner: $7.0M

So that's $70.4M...leaving $26.4M to fill out 7 fowards, 4 dmen, and a goalie. Or an average of $2.2M per signing.

So it's doable but they are really going to be relying on aging UFAs being willing to sign cheap short term deals to fill out that roster because they have such a depleted prospect pool, and likely will be moving even more picks out these next 2 seasons.

Exactly, lose Kane and Skinner...replace them with worse players. Oldest team in the NHL a year older. and so on.

Worse every year.

Pressure is on for the Oilers big time...then need to be dominant this season

[flamingred89]

The report of Leon turning down 500k is hilarious.

A) because it probably didn't happen.

B) And if it did, then what the hell kind of "discount" is that. If McDavid does the same then it's a whole whopping 1 million dollars saved. Or you know, a 4th line winger. Not going to move the needle at all to help the team. A discount is Crosby taking 8.7 again instead of 10+ at the time. Or Bergeron taking 6.8 instead of like 8.5.

Just laughable spin from the clowns up north. Anything to make themselves feel good about themselves.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by blankall

I mostly just meant that they were dumb.

Me too!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

This board is overrating the loss of Foegele and McLeod to a great degree. Yes- they were good defensive players for them. Yes they helped the PK.

Arvidsson is a whole level better than either player. With Savoie coming into the mix, they actually have an elite prospect that is going to be cost controlled for the next few years. If we had him in our system, the same people would be ecstatic.

I know this is the Oilers but this isnt the E=NG thread. Try to remain objective.

This loss of these two bottom 6 players is extremely overblown.

Arvidsson is a 'better player' when healthy, but it is a team game. The Oilers don't need more scoring punch, they have had that every year for quite a while. What took them further last year was the ability to play physically, to forecheck, and to play with speed, throughout the lineup. Now, they have taken a step backwards in every one of those aspects of the game, as well as their PK.

Arvidsson and Skinner are not going to get the prime offensive zone starts, the big boys are. They aren't going to get PP time, the big boys are. So they are going to have to put up offensive numbers, 5 on 5, in order to contribute. And they aren't scaring anyone, 5 on 5. Nor do they give the Oilers what they need.

As for your comments about Savoie, be careful, your true colours are peaking through - calling him elite is laughable. He is smaller than Pelletier. He may become a good NHLer at some point (I doubt it, personally), but it sure as hell won't be this year. Yes, the Oilers will give him a chance (because they have no other options), but anyone who thinks a 20 year old Savoie is going to help a playoff team, is delusional.

[dino7c]

All the money upfront in signing bonus trumps 500K anyway

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Arvidsson is a 'better player' when healthy, but it is a team game. The Oilers don't need more scoring punch, they have had that every year for quite a while. What took them further last year was the ability to play physically, to forecheck, and to play with speed, throughout the lineup. Now, they have taken a step backwards in every one of those aspects of the game, as well as their PK.

Arvidsson and Skinner are not going to get the prime offensive zone starts, the big boys are. They aren't going to get PP time, the big boys are. So they are going to have to put up offensive numbers, 5 on 5, in order to contribute. And they aren't scaring anyone, 5 on 5. Nor do they give the Oilers what they need.

As for your comments about Savoie, be careful, your true colours are peaking through - calling him elite is laughable. He is smaller than Pelletier. He may become a good NHLer at some point (I doubt it, personally), but it sure as hell won't be this year. Yes, the Oilers will give him a chance (because they have no other options), but anyone who thinks a 20 year old Savoie is going to help a playoff team, is delusional.

Holloway is a better player than Savoie...certainly better for a 3rd line role this season
too bad the amazingly run Oilers ####ed it up.

Their actual D core is worse too
They can bash Cici and he isn't great but he was playing big minutes for them...the replacements are worse

[Enoch Root]

Pelletier: (5'9" 170 lb)

D+0: 89 pts, 1.37 PPG (WHL)
D+1: 82 pts, 1.44 PPG (WHL)
D+2: 43 pts, 1.54 PPG (WHL)
D+3: 62 pts, 0.94 PPG (AHL)

Savoie: (5'9" 179 lb)

D+0: 90 pts, 1.38 PPG (WHL)
D+1: 95 pts, 1.53 PPG (WHL)
D+2: 24 pts, 2.18 PPG (WHL - 11 games)
D+2: 5 pts, 0.83 PPG (AHL)

Other than one really small sample size, the numbers are pretty similar.

But somehow, because the Oilers trade for him (and ignoring that Buffalo basically gives him away), suddenly he is 'elite'

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Holloway is a better player than Savoie...certainly better for a 3rd line role this season
too bad the amazingly run Oilers ####ed it up.

Their actual D core is worse too
They can bash Cici and he isn't great but he was playing big minutes for them...the replacements are worse

Pfffft

Emberson (despite being let go by 3 teams already) is elite!

And Stecher. STECHER! I mean, come on!



Ceci + Desharnais + Broberg >>>>>> Stecher + Emberson + Brown

In fact, if we were to rate the players individually, all 3 ex-Oilers are better than any of the new Oilers. Their defense is smaller, and less talented, and they lost 2 key PK guys.

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

https://twitter.com/user/status/1809332359873065456

66% Star probability
91% NHLer probability

Elite.

[Jason14h]

If Drais contract will be an anchor and was stupid for the Oilers to sign why would another team give up a haul for the privilege of signing him to this deal / paying him ?

Sure the Oilers would be better if a team offered them Barkov or a number one D for Drais ….. but who is doing that ?

No team trading for Drais who he would sign with is offering top assets .

[Paulie Walnuts]

Again all the focus is on the forwards which typical Oilers.

They have a backend that is probably worse than a team actively tanking.

They aren’t great 5 on 5 to begin with as pointed out.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If Drais contract will be an anchor and was stupid for the Oilers to sign why would another team give up a haul for the privilege of signing him to this deal / paying him ?

Sure the Oilers would be better if a team offered them Barkov or a number one D for Drais ….. but who is doing that ?

No team trading for Drais who he would sign with is offering top assets .

Teams trade players all the time, its about building a TEAM and addressing needs
They could have gotten a high end D for sure...plus cap space that would be used to bring in another player
I think they were incredibly fortunate to get close and I don't think you win a cup without a far superior blue line. My opinion, the proof will be on the ice.

Drai is great on the PP with McDavid...I think a lot of good players could be great on the PP with McDavid

[Paulie Walnuts]

Without all the distractions I could see the Flames sweeping the BOA this year, hopefully stealing enough points to make them finish 9th in the west.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Teams trade players all the time, its about building a TEAM and addressing needs
They could have gotten a high end D for sure...plus cap space that would be used to bring in another player
I think they were incredibly fortunate to get close and I don't think you win a cup without a far superior blue line. My opinion, the proof will be on the ice.

Drai is great on the PP with McDavid...I think a lot of good players could be great on the PP with McDavid

You keep saying this but have yet to give an example which team is giving up a #1 D + for Drais and signing him for $14 mil

The only team I can think of that even entertains an offer is Buffalo for Dahlin , and I don’t think that makes Edmonton better nor opens enough cap to help the cap space issue