[Signing] Flames sign Huberdeau to long term extension (8 yrs, $10.5 mil AAV)

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Saqe

If the team starts to play high octane offense then I think Huberdeau can get back to PPG pace. But that's pretty much it.

That isn't happening under Huska. When he was hired I said if you thought the forwards struggled under Sutter to score wait until you see them under this guy. Great talker, terrible head coach.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

As much as his contract blows at least it won’t be hampering the flames chances at success. He’s pretty terrible and as a fan base we’re stuck with him because he’s not going to pass up on the huge bucks he’s making. Hopefully he can be LTIRetired by the time we are competitive again. It’s bad enough that he’s the worst contract in the league, but impeding the teams future success because of his pay would be quite embarrassing.

I’m sure it’s going to be fine.

Again you bring up him passing on big bucks. Why? Why and how ?

The CBA does not allow contracts to be renegotiated.

Would you give up over 70 million because you had 2 bad seasons?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure, 90 points is probably too optimistic but point per game might not be. There were a few hockey journalists predicting a return to ppg for Huberdeau at the start of last season. Granted, a heavy grain of salt should be taken with that. Also, start of the season projections are really nothing more than fluff.

Nevertheless, I don’t believe Huberdeau is DOA, yet. 90 points, might be too optimistic but 70-80 could be within reach. Does that make him movable?

To Gio’s comment it’s likely moot. The Flames and Huberdeau are all but likely attached to one another for another 4 years, I think. Short of a Neal for Lucic like trade, problem for problem, that is.

He said his goal is to get back to a 70 point player at the end of season press conference.

I think the trade, the contract and coming off a 115 point season he put way too much pressure on himself to do that again.

100 points is hard to get. He’s a ppg and that’s what he should strive for.

[butterfly]

The complaints about the thread are classic. If the topic doesn't interest you, don't read the thread. Seems easy enough.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He said his goal is to get back to a 70 point player at the end of season press conference.

I think the trade, the contract and coming off a 115 point season he put way too much pressure on himself to do that again.

100 points is hard to get. He’s a ppg and that’s what he should strive for.

Anything above 60 would be a surprise.



Treliving broke the bank for ages 30-37.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You and TOFan post in this thread as much as anyone and you’ve readily admitted you’re saying the same thing over and over. I don’t really mind the debate but if the discussion is so pointless, maybe just disengage?

There’s no debate. That’s the point. I’m just pointing out that people sure like to whine for no real reason. Why not look at how Huberdeau could help, or be helped? Instead we get “Huberdeau should void his contract” and “all is doomed because of one bad contract”. Meanwhile anyone that dares say the contract won’t be AS bad in 5 years is shouted down.

[nieuwy-89]

Really is fun to go back and look at all the optimism and excitement after the signing. I was in that camp too. There were legitimate discussions around the league about the Flames being potentially better than they were with Johnny and Tkachuk.

Kudos to the posters who were trying to pump the brakes. A few of you look good in hindsight.

Enough has been said about the contract. Regardless, Huberdeau has to go down as the biggest disappointment in franchise history - for a franchise that has had more than its fair share of disappointment.

Excited about the kids and Conroy’s direction for the team. Huberdeau should do the honourable thing and terminate the contract, but we know it won’t happen. So I’ll plug my nose and hope for him to succeed.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s no debate. That’s the point. I’m just pointing out that people sure like to whine for no real reason. Why not look at how Huberdeau could help, or be helped? Instead we get “Huberdeau should void his contract” and “all is doomed because of one bad contract”. Meanwhile anyone that dares say the contract won’t be AS bad in 5 years is shouted down.

Yeah, how can the contract get any worse? The best thing is some day we will get down to 5 years left, then 5 months, then 5 days. It truly does get less bad every day.

The highest paid player in franchise history is in the New York Times for being the worst contract in the NHL. Discussing that is not whining.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No one is discussing the contract. Everyone understands it sucks. We can do nothing about it.

Making dumb suggestions like he should void the contact when you can’t do that, or he should take less money when you can’t do that is not a discussion.

What is to discuss that has not been discussed already ? He’s been poor the last 2 years. We can’t change that. We can’t change the contract. It is what it is at this point.

It’s not even the worst contact in the league. Darnell Nurse is easily the worst contract. Not only does he suck, he’s blocking a team that’s at the cap from singing players.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I’m sure it’s going to be fine.

Again you bring up him passing on big bucks. Why? Why and how ?

The CBA does not allow contracts to be renegotiated.

Would you give up over 70 million because you had 2 bad seasons?

I’ve said it before but I’d find a creative way (allergy to equipment, mental illness etc) to LTIR myself so I still get my payday without having to go out and embarrass myself 82 times a year. Like it must be a gut punch every single day knowing that you are the single most overpaid athlete in your league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I’ve said it before but I’d find a creative way (allergy to equipment, mental illness etc) to LTIR myself so I still get my payday without having to go out and embarrass myself 82 times a year. Like it must be a gut punch every single day knowing that you are the single most overpaid athlete in your league.

First of all mental illness is not a joke.

People care. I don’t think he’s embarrassing himself. Just like when everyone complained why don’t we just throw games, players don’t get to the NHL to throw games. They all want to win and perform.

I’m sure he wants to do great things. It’s not happening for him here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Yeah, how can the contract get any worse? The best thing is some day we will get down to 5 years left, then 5 months, then 5 days. It truly does get less bad every day.

The highest paid player in franchise history is in the New York Times for being the worst contract in the NHL. Discussing that is not whining.

What’s the discussion? “Here’s an article. It doesn’t really mean anything but here’s a list ”. End of discussion.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

First of all mental illness is not a joke.

People care. I don’t think he’s embarrassing himself. Just like when everyone complained why don’t we just throw games, players don’t get to the NHL to throw games. They all want to win and perform.

I’m sure he wants to do great things. It’s not happening for him here.

First of all no one here is making a joke of mental health.

A guy with almost no chance at success for the remaining years in his career would be mentally challenging. Aside from a big paycheque what does he have to look forward to with respect to hockey? He’s embarrassing (for me anyways) to watch out there, the points aren’t coming and it’s only getting worse as he ages and with his awful contract the team can never be competitive.

https://youtube.com/shorts/zVRCD2NbU...WoeyvmHSDa-5Cm

This isn’t a mentally healthy guy, and if I was Huska I’d keep benching him until he puts up over a ppg

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That isn't happening under Huska. When he was hired I said if you thought the forwards struggled under Sutter to score wait until you see them under this guy. Great talker, terrible head coach.

That's the same Sutter who stifled Johnny Gaudreau and Matthew Tkachuk to 40 goals and 100 points? Elias Lindhom to 40 goals and Andrew Mangiapne to 35 goals? All career highs

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BigThief

That's the same Sutter who stifled Johnny Gaudreau and Matthew Tkachuk to 40 goals and 100 points? Elias Lindhom to 40 goals and Andrew Mangiapne to 35 goals? All career highs

He had one big offensive season. That’s all people have. He’s coached teams to really poor offensive seasons most of his coaching career.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Yeah, how can the contract get any worse? The best thing is some day we will get down to 5 years left, then 5 months, then 5 days. It truly does get less bad every day.

The highest paid player in franchise history is in the New York Times for being the worst contract in the NHL. Discussing that is not whining.

I would argue that it isn’t just the worst contract currently in the NHL, but the worst contract in the history of the NHL since salary cap and 8 year term limits came in. When you consider contract length, the age of the player, the cap hit, the decline in production, how the contract is structured making in buyout proof, and the no movement clause.

When a contract is that bad, it’s definitely worth discussing.

[memphusk]

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would argue that it isn’t just the worst contract currently in the NHL, but the worst contract in the history of the NHL since salary cap and 8 year term limits came in. When you consider contract length, the age of the player, the cap hit, the decline in production, how the contract is structured making in buyout proof, and the no movement clause.

When a contract is that bad, it’s definitely worth discussing.

You are 100% on this. It's a mess and should be constantly discussed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by memphusk

You are 100% on this. It's a mess and should be constantly discussed.

Why? Are you afraid people will forget or are you just scab picking?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That isn't happening under Huska. When he was hired I said if you thought the forwards struggled under Sutter to score wait until you see them under this guy. Great talker, terrible head coach.

So who was better last year? Kadri, Coleman, Sharangovich,

Kuzmenko, Huberdeau, Greer and Mangiapane were more or less the same on a PPG basis compared with the year before.

Walker Duehr was worse and every other forward who ended the year with the Flames did not really have enough games in the NHL the season before to make a comparison?

Do I have the list correct? 3 better than the season before, 4 about the same and one worse? And for players who played under Sutter it is 2 better, 2 the same and one who was worse?