What the hell is going on with Jakob Pelletier?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FBI

Nope let's stop losing our first round picks for nothing.. Let's give him a chance, let him prove it this year without injury.. No more Valamaki/Bennett/ etc etc

His status as a first rounder is meaningless. That's a sunk cost. It only matters what he is worth today and what he could be worth in the future if he actually develops further.

I like the kid. And I'm rooting for him.

But I suspect his value around the league is next to nothing because of how he has performed at the NHL level, his physical profile and his injuries.

[activeStick]

I mentioned this before in a different thread, but I feel like Conroy was annoyed by Valimaki getting claimed off waivers and developing into the player he has become today (an NHL regular on the bottom pair) and as a result, rightly or wrongly, does not want to lose Pelletier on waivers for nothing. The org. from Huska all the way up to Conroy have never been shy about how much they like the kid either, so I too believe the Flames are very hesitant with putting him on waivers. Clearly in the minority here though! *shrugs shoulders*

[Hockey-and_stuff]

You can't waive a guy who doesn't have a contract so we can hold off panicking about waivers and switch to panicking about Pelletier remaining unsigned!

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

His status as a first rounder is meaningless. That's a sunk cost. It only matters what he is worth today and what he could be worth in the future if he actually develops further.

I like the kid. And I'm rooting for him.

But I suspect his value around the league is next to nothing because of how he has performed at the NHL level, his physical profile and his injuries.

I don't think he'd have much value in a trade - Podkolzin is more proven at the NHL and got a 4th.

But I still think a team would take a flyer on him as a waiver claim due to AHL performance and his draft pedigree.

He's 10 months older than Maverik Bourque who people drool all over as one of the best prospects in the AHL. Both of them are about the same size too at 5'10".

Bourque: 0.88 PPG in 141 AHL Games
Pelletier: 0.93 PPG in 119 AHL Games

His NHL PPG is actually about the same as Dylan Holloway , and his AHL numbers are better too. (Holloway: 0.20/0.76 vs Pelletier: 0.27 / 0.93)

It would be foolish of the Flames to waive him, and if they do waive him it would be foolish for a team like San Jose, Anaheim, or Chicago to not take him.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not sure why people are so confident that he gets claimed.
He is a 23 year old, 5'9 winger with 10 points in 37 NHL games.
I don't know if there is a big line for a guy like that.

Is it September on CP unless several people express grave concerns that one of our prospects is almost certainly likely to be claimed should the organization be foolish enough to expose the prospect to waivers?

[Fire]

Not sure if Pelletier would be claimed but it's foolish for a rebuilding team to risk it. The team needs to give him every opportunity to make it since he does have a chance to be part of the team when they're good again in 5 or so years.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I'm pretty sure he is. Either he will play for the Flames, or they will waive him and whoever claims him will have to play him or risk losing him. No way every team passes on claiming him if the Flames try to send him down.

Even if he is claimed somewhere, he is not guaranteed a NHL job

He could be claimed and waived by multiple teams . That’s not the first time it happened in the NHL

I think he is fighting for a guaranteed pay. There is no other option, he is going to get a minimum or close to minimum contract. He just wants some guarantee

[Locke]

Never fear....once the Flames approach his Maginot Line his resistance shall crumble!

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am not sure who or who doesn't like Pelletier around the league, but exposing him to waivers at this stage is an unnecessary gamble. We don't know who Pelletier really is at this point since Sutter didn't play him much, and then last year was a disaster with injuries. He was way better than expected offensively in the AHL in his rookie pro season.


Why expose Pelletier to keep Duehr, or Rooney, or whomever that will not be a part of the organization 2-3 years from now? Keep Pelletier up, put him in a position to succeed and see if he succeeds. Meritocracies are great, but this team isn't competing.



Huska has to balance out giving players a chance to succeed and prioritizing their development with rewarding players for their play. It is a tricky balance to be sure, but I thought he did a fairly good job last season.



Pelletier might be the next Paul Byron. Sure, I wouldn't call that a cornerstone, but there were many people here on this forum that were not happy when Byron got placed on waivers, and there were many people saying that we were all worried about nothing since nobody was going to claim him. It took one team with an injury to claim him. Montreal ended up having a productive player for a while, and Calgary got to keep.. Brandon Bollig. Who got more out of whom?


Pelletier is bigger than Byron. Pelletier is also a beloved guy in the room by all accounts, just like Small Paul was. It only takes one team with a bit of a concern on LW depth, or a team that liked Pelletier, or even just a team that gets a couple of injuries in the preseason and uses the waiver wire to patch things up. Unless the Flames KNOW that Pelletier has no future here, then you keep him and expose guys who you know won't be part of the solution beyond the next year or two.

[Icon]

^ Agree with pretty much all of that.

We don't know right now who's holding out on the getting the deal done.

Could be the Flames considering not re-signing him or standing firm on a 2-way only, etc...

Or could be Pelletier holding out for more money or just a 1-way, etc.

In either case I'm surprised as I think it's best for both parties to just get a good healthy season in & see what he is going forward.

[Tkachukwagon]

There you go Pelts, there is your high water mark comparable

https://twitter.com/user/status/1833485290041655506

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

His status as a first rounder is meaningless. That's a sunk cost. It only matters what he is worth today and what he could be worth in the future if he actually develops further.

I like the kid. And I'm rooting for him.

But I suspect his value around the league is next to nothing because of how he has performed at the NHL level, his physical profile and his injuries.

I will say there will always be one or two teams that heavily scouted the player and was their target if he dropped past the Flames. He may have value to those teams kind of like the Flames when they traded for Lazar as I imagine they saw a lot of him with the Oil Kings.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

His status as a first rounder is meaningless. That's a sunk cost. It only matters what he is worth today and what he could be worth in the future if he actually develops further.

I like the kid. And I'm rooting for him.

But I suspect his value around the league is next to nothing because of how he has performed at the NHL level, his physical profile and his injuries.

If that were entirely true, we wouldn't see teams trading 2nd, 3rd round picks for fledging former first round players. It matters, but not really in the sense of the contract negotiation he is currently going through.

I hope he doesn't drag this into camp. It would be catastrophic for his season and career. I think Conroy knows this and is calling his bluff in terms of what is probably a 1-way v 2way argument.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

There you go Pelts, there is your high water mark comparable

https://twitter.com/user/status/1833485290041655506

My guess, this might be around his AHL salary if he is sent down.

[Royle9]

From what I've been told the hold up is guaranteed AHL money as the Pelletier camp understands there's very little room for him up with the big club this year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Royle9

From what I've been told the hold up is guaranteed AHL money as the Pelletier camp understands there's very little room for him up with the big club this year.

It really shouldn't be that much of an impediment. Give him 40-50% at the AHL. Who cares? It's not like he's going to dog it because he makes a bunch of money in the A.

EDIT: Give him whatever Tinordi's AHL amount is.

[Toonage]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1833514742524354769

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Royle9

From what I've been told the hold up is guaranteed AHL money as the Pelletier camp understands there's very little room for him up with the big club this year.

If the Flames waive Pelletier to keep Rooney, Duehr, or even Lomberg up with the big club I'm going to be annoyed.

Seems weird that he doesn't seem room for himself on the big club though, as I only really see 11 forwards that I think are guaranteed to start the year with the big club.

Huberdeau, Kadri, Kuzmenko, Coleman, Backlund, Mantha, Sharangovich, Pospisil, Zary, Rooney, Lomberg. That's 11.

Then I would expect Pelletier to be 12, Duehr to be on waivers, and then Coronato/Klapka/Stromgren as guys that all are waivers exempt that could be in the AHL or NHL depending how camp goes.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1833537912497180719

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1833537912497180719

Royale9 is Craig Conroy