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timun · 05-07-2021, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Envitro

Good thing you know know me so well, or my proficiency with said tools.
I train with a firearm more often than some SWAT teams do.

I've hit 2" targets with a 1oz slug on a regular basis at 75-100 yards with no issues. I'm not concerned with my ability to hit a target under pressure, since that's what I train for almost every day.

CaptainCrunch · 05-07-2021, 08:51 AM

Bears don't kill people, people with guns shooting at bears kill people.

Wait

btimbit · 05-07-2021, 08:52 AM

Better than bears with guns at least

Envitro · 05-07-2021, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

This is where the misconception happens. The first solution is never ever shoot the damn thing. Thats the last solution, the solution you take to save a life of your child. In many bear encounters, things happen very very fast. If he spends as much time in the woods as stated, im sure he takes steps to avoid bear encounters. I don't believe it was ever stated once he intends to needlessly kill the animal.

Anyhoo, like this poster said, it is never my desire to kill a bear. Haven't had to do it yet, hope to never have to.

Just stating that I'd rather a have a shotgun pointed and aimed at an imminent threat to life and have the option to use it, than not have the option and become a victim.

If you've ever tried to use bear spray in windy conditions, or if the wind is going in the wrong direction, then you know what I'm talking about. I've done both, so I make the choice that I make.

Oh and cool guy meme poster, thanks, I am pretty impressive

CaptainCrunch · 05-07-2021, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

Better than bears with guns at least

Thank god for evolution and thumbs

transplant99 · 05-07-2021, 08:56 AM

If shotguns are unnecessary, one wonders why Fish and Wildlife officers deploy them when tracking bears. Weird.

Sliver · 05-07-2021, 08:57 AM

Do you guys hike with bear bangers? I just have bear spray right now, but maybe I should get some bangers, too. They also seem kind of fun, so there's that.

peter12 · 05-07-2021, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

If shotguns are unnecessary, one wonders why Fish and Wildlife officers deploy them when tracking bears. Weird.

Because they are trained, they do it in pairs, and they don’t hike with kids.

Envitro · 05-07-2021, 09:00 AM

So was it the kids comment that set you off??

PepsiFree · 05-07-2021, 09:01 AM

Whether the right firearm is better than bear spray or not, the most important thing to remember for the average, not-better-than-SWAT-trained person, is to bring your bear spray always and practice how to use it and be hyper-aware of your surroundings especially if hiking alone.

If you're highly trained, a gun is obviously going to be an effective option, if you think a gun might be a better option for you, make sure you're highly trained.

Don't need any dumbasses panicking with a gun while a cougar or bear rolls up on them.

Envitro · 05-07-2021, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sliver

Do you guys hike with bear bangers? I just have bear spray right now, but maybe I should get some bangers, too. They also seem kind of fun, so there's that.

I like bear bangers for encounters when you see a bear (typically black bears) on a path at a distance, and you want to scare them off.

I sometimes carry it, and I've used them a few times in Northern Ontario. Works pretty well for scaring them off, 99% of the time.

shotinthebacklund · 05-07-2021, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by peter12

Do you train more than Hawkeye?

Train? Train at what? I practice with accessing my spray quickly yes, 100%. Do i practice deploying it effectively? Of course. I have been forced to use it on two close encounters and its terrifying each time. Thats why you practice so hopefully your body knows how to react without thinking when your heartrate goes from 70 to 160 in the span of two seconds. It has to, because you will only get about 4 seconds before that bear is on you. I believe thats why envitro was implying about the training part but will let him speak for himself. For the record, i don't own a firearm

transplant99 · 05-07-2021, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by peter12

Because they are trained, they do it in pairs, and they don’t hike with kids.

So is envitro as stated. Or does that not count?

And no, they are not always in pairs. They have come to our off grid camp sites multiple times and there was only one officer.

No idea how having kids with you changes that.

Envitro · 05-07-2021, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Whether the right firearm is better than bear spray or not, the most important thing to remember for the average, not-better-than-SWAT-trained person, is to bring your bear spray always and practice how to use it and be hyper-aware of your surroundings especially if hiking alone.

If you're highly trained, a gun is obviously going to be an effective option, if you think a gun might be a better option for you, make sure you're highly trained.

Don't need any dumbasses panicking with a gun while a cougar or bear rolls up on them.

Exactly this. And this is what I said earlier (or thought I had said). If you are comfortable with a gun and proficient, then you can choose to carry one with you. If you're not, make sure you carry bear spray, and if you don't want to carry spray then all the best of luck to you!

Envitro · 05-07-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

So is envitro as stated. Or does that not count?

And no, they are not always in pairs. They have come to our off grid camp sites multiple times and there was only one officer.

No idea how having kids with you changes that.

Apparently being considered "trained" only applies when the government funds it...

Sliver · 05-07-2021, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Envitro

I like bear bangers for encounters when you see a bear (typically black bears) on a path at a distance, and you want to scare them off.

I sometimes carry it, and I've used them a few times in Northern Ontario. Works pretty well for scaring them off, 99% of the time.

Wow, that's great to hear. I'll buy one this weekend. Thanks man.

btimbit · 05-07-2021, 09:12 AM

Considering I usually hike on shrooms, not sure I wanna bring one of my guns. Just gonna waste ammo lighting up a talking tree

PepsiFree · 05-07-2021, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

Considering I usually hike on shrooms, not sure I wanna bring one of my guns. Just gonna waste ammo lighting up a talking tree

For what is a pretty depressing/scary thread, this is the lighthearted image I needed in my head.

shotinthebacklund · 05-07-2021, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sliver

Wow, that's great to hear. I'll buy one this weekend. Thanks man.

Its better to back away and avoid then throw a banger in my experience. If you are close its better to be prepared with the spray then fumbling with the banger. By all means carry them, I do. I also carry spray on my hip as well as my chest.

Swift · 05-07-2021, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Envitro

I train with a firearm more often than some SWAT teams do.

I've hit 2" targets with a 1oz slug on a regular basis at 75-100 yards with no issues. I'm not concerned with my ability to hit a target under pressure, since that's what I train for almost every day.

Is your training part of a job or role you have? Or do you train almost every day just because you like doing it? No ulterior motive to the question, just genuinely curious.