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Old 01-12-2021, 11:05 AM   #381
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I genuinely had no idea Ron Paul was alive. Good for him.
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well I suppose I was highlighting that being older means a huge chunk of modern on line culture escapes me but it is so shallow and vapid that it's a good thing.
A lot of it is but some of it isn't. I think it's horribly unfair to paint it all with the same wide brush.
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Old 01-12-2021, 06:10 PM   #384
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A lot of it is but some of it isn't. I think it's horribly unfair to paint it all with the same wide brush.
I do know who Joe Rogan is and I am quite happy to paint him with that brush
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I do know who Joe Rogan is and I am quite happy to paint him with that brush
You made a blanket statement about all online media influencers.
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I do know who Joe Rogan is and I am quite happy to paint him with that brush
Rogan is the ignorant man’s version of intelligence.

At the very least he tries to improve his understanding over time & admit when he’s wrong when he’s wrong. Last summer on one random podcast he said something to the effect of...
For all the people who have issues with the things I’ve said, I also have issues with the things I’ve said.
He’s at least willing to acknowledge his mistakes or when he was incorrect in the past so he can learn, grow, & improve. There are plenty people who are way worse than him out there. His interview with Cornel West in 2019 was really good.
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Rogan is the ignorant man’s version of intelligence.

At the very least he tries to improve his understanding over time & admit when he’s wrong when he’s wrong. Last summer on one random podcast he said something to the effect of...
For all the people who have issues with the things I’ve said, I also have issues with the things I’ve said.
He’s at least willing to acknowledge his mistakes or when he was incorrect in the past so he can learn, grow, & improve. There are plenty people who are way worse than him out there. His interview with Cornel West in 2019 was really good.
That's positive, but wouldn't it be even better if he put in more effort to understand the issues more before communicating with his audience of millions? It's better to get it right in the first place. Also, he often provides a huge platform to bad faith actors and conspiracy theorists. How many times has he had Alex Jones on his show? He's interviewed Gavin McInnis (founder of the Proud Boys), Steven Crowder and others who espouse dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric similar to that which influenced the DC riots. I've heard him call both of McInnis and Crowder 'comedians' and laugh off their extreme and often violent positions. It's irresponsible for someone with such a large voice.
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That's positive, but wouldn't it be even better if he put in more effort to understand the issues more before communicating with his audience of millions? It's better to get it right in the first place. Also, he often provides a huge platform to bad faith actors and conspiracy theorists. How many times has he had Alex Jones on his show? He's interviewed Gavin McInnis (founder of the Proud Boys), Steven Crowder and others who espouse dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric similar to that which influenced the DC riots. I've heard him call both of McInnis and Crowder 'comedians' and laugh off their extreme and often violent positions. It's irresponsible for someone with such a large voice.
we usually hear that as a defense when someone has a horrible belief or says horrible things outside of a standup stage.
"it's comedy. it's satire" ya right.
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If you are getting your information from a Joe Rogan podcast about literally anything that isn't weed culture or the UFC, you aren't doing much critical thinking.

The guy panders to the lowest common denominator. He has the biggest platform in the world right now and has decided, rather than use it for some good for all, to make more money in any way he can. He's not an idiot, but he sure plays one on the radio.

He's as free from morals and a conscious as any multi-millionaire goofball living off of the goodwill of people willing to laugh at his nonsense.
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If you are getting your information from a Joe Rogan podcast about literally anything that isn't weed culture or the UFC, you aren't doing much critical thinking.

The guy panders to the lowest common denominator. He has the biggest platform in the world right now and has decided, rather than use it for some good for all, to make more money in any way he can. He's not an idiot, but he sure plays one on the radio.

He's as free from morals and a conscious as any multi-millionaire goofball living off of the goodwill of people willing to laugh at his nonsense.
What the #### are you talking about? You know it’s a show where he engages with others right, some of whom happen to be exceptionally educated, experienced or interesting.
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Joe Rogan is an entertainment talk show for men. It is not a scientifically peer reviewed journal, nor does it pretend to be.

He's not my cup of tea (well, his stand up is phenomenal but I don't like his podcast). But he's not exactly Alex Jones here. The guy is a goofball but not dangerous.

It's like getting mad because Ellen is still interviewing celebrities instead of trying to change the world. Who cares? Everyone has their niche.

Even someone like Jon Oliver isn't exactly high level intellectualism at it's finest. He's smart, in depth and topical but still makes lots of jokes about Adam Driver and squirrels in thongs.

Lets not lose sight of what we're talking about here. It isn't like the Economist or New Yorker have been co-opted by Joe Rogan or anything.
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If you are getting your information from a Joe Rogan podcast about literally anything that isn't weed culture or the UFC, you aren't doing much critical thinking.
I enjoy his chats with car guys like Matt Farah.
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Joe Rogan is an entertainment talk show for men. It is not a scientifically peer reviewed journal, nor does it pretend to be.

He's not my cup of tea (well, his stand up is phenomenal but I don't like his podcast). But he's not exactly Alex Jones here. The guy is a goofball but not dangerous.

It's like getting mad because Ellen is still interviewing celebrities instead of trying to change the world. Who cares? Everyone has their niche.

Even someone like Jon Oliver isn't exactly high level intellectualism at it's finest. He's smart, in depth and topical but still makes lots of jokes about Adam Driver and squirrels in thongs.

Lets not lose sight of what we're talking about here. It isn't like the Economist or New Yorker have been co-opted by Joe Rogan or anything.
You’re not wrong, except where Ellen might be interviewing ‘celebrities’, Rogan hosted the likes of Brian Cox, Neil deGrasse, Anthony Bourdain, Rhonda Patrick, Nick Yarris, Sean Carroll etc etc
These are people who are exceptionally intelligent, or exceptionally experienced. I can’t imagine how someone could downplay these discussions as meaningless pothead banter because they heard someone call Rogan a meathead or something.
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You’re not wrong, except where Ellen might be interviewing ‘celebrities’, Rogan hosted the likes of Brian Cox, Neil deGrasse, Anthony Bourdain, Rhonda Patrick, Nick Yarris, Sean Carroll etc etc
These are people who are exceptionally intelligent, or exceptionally experienced. I can’t imagine how someone could downplay these discussions as meaningless pothead banter because they heard someone call Rogan a meathead or something.
I've listened to exactly 1 Joe Rogan podcast, and it was in March of last year talking to an epidemiologist about the oncoming Covid-19 crisis. Basically "we're all f-ed". It was very informative, and put me ahead of most of my co-workers in terms of prep for lockdown. This was before the NBA shuttered, which was the tipping point for most of the US public.

My takeaway is that Joe is something of a meathead, but that he's willing to both invite and have open discussions with interesting guests.

I view Bill Maher (who correctly predicted Trump's coup several years ago) and Jon Oliver much the same way.

"Edutainment"

Edit - here it is with Michael Osterholm
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What the #### are you talking about? You know it’s a show where he engages with others right, some of whom happen to be exceptionally educated, experienced or interesting.
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Joe Rogan, Bill Maher, John Oliver, etc etc. are all the equivalent of a "Rocks for Jocks" class.

Easy, accessible, and in this case focused just as much on your entertainment (like Flashpoint said) as they are about education or the broadening of your mind.

I see where the criticism is coming from. Rogan absolutely plays to the everyman. He's good at what he does in the sense that he's not diving deep on anything, just asking pretty basic, logical questions. And even that stumps some guests (like that idiot Shapiro). He has a wide range of guests, and I think he gets a bad rap because he invites some people who have pretty questionable views on things and doesn't always press them well enough.

In line with what I said a couple of days ago, his podcast is a lot like the idea of "just asking questions." There's not a ton of critical thinking required, and if you take it as is and stop short of exploring certain issues or ideas on your own, nobody is going to mistake you for a critical thinker just because you listened to a Joe Rogan podcast with an interesting guest (or a John Oliver episode on an interesting subject). If it's something that piques your curiosity, it's then on you to dive deeper and put the thought in.

But in defence of Rogan, that's not what he's about. He's entry-level entertainment into a world of big ideas. That can be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on what people do next. But it's not his job to fill in the blanks. Never has been.
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So angry.
Just incredulity.

Arrogance, ignorance or pure parroting. The only ways I can think of that you could make a blanket statement like that.
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