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Old 09-17-2020, 12:58 PM   #2241
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There’s nothing wrong with pointing out the bad things in the world.

But if you’re going to claim the world is getting worse, then expect to be challenged to provide empirical evidence of this global trend.

Also, pointing out the overall condition of humanity has been improving for generations is not a dismissal of concerns - it’s giving context.
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Old 09-17-2020, 01:15 PM   #2242
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You poll a thousand people in Canada: Is life good or bad right now? What do you think the results are?
Life is good. Real good. I listen to the stories of how my grandparents lived, what they went through and I can't fathom living like they did.
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Old 09-18-2020, 08:52 PM   #2243
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Just for fun and because I'm a jerk, the whole Nuclear stock piles thing at some kind of unprecedented level.

United States 1980 23,600 war heads, 2020 4800 projected to 2022 3620
Russia/Soviet Union 1980 30,000 2020 6375 projected 2022 535
China 1980 204 2020 320 2022 220
World Wide 1980 54509 220 13400

We're never going to get to Nuclear net zero unless another strategic weapon comes along that provides deterrence which is never going to go away as a concept.

We're never going to get a war head reduction to the point of a theoretically winnable war. The question is going to be how much over kill is needed. If there is ever a 100% workable defense shield we'll see another rise in war heads, or a leap forward in penetrative technology.

But no Nuclear Weapons are nowhere near unprecedented levels. even going by explosive yields.
I never said they are at unprecendented levels. The point is, they were ebbing for a while, but in recent years they've begun to increase once again. We're going backward in that regard, not forward, and it's worrying.

The other thing to keep in mind is that not all nuclear warheads are equal. Nukes that are manufactured today are more sophisticated than ones made in the 50s.

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There’s nothing wrong with pointing out the bad things in the world.

But if you’re going to claim the world is getting worse, then expect to be challenged to provide empirical evidence of this global trend.

Also, pointing out the overall condition of humanity has been improving for generations is not a dismissal of concerns - it’s giving context.
A lot of things have improved, sure.

But in terms of climate change, we are, in fact, in a worse position today than we were at any time in the history of modern civilization.

Do me a favor, go to a BLM protest and tell everyone there that they need to "consider the context" of how minorities have it better now they they did 100 years ago.

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Old 09-18-2020, 10:07 PM   #2244
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Would you want to leave today and go back to any time in history ? I know my answer is no. I can’t see how anyone would actually think there is a time in history they would rather live in.

So either the argument is wrong, or the actual argument / statement is the world has always been and still is a terrible place.

If its the later then I don’t know what to say other then I feel sorry for someone who goes through life everyday believing the world is and always has been terrible instead of the massive leaps in almost every aspect of quality of life that are occurring at an exponential pace
I’d be content in the 1960s.
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:51 AM   #2245
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Take me back to the 80’s any day! That was the golden decade!
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Old 09-19-2020, 10:01 AM   #2246
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Do me a favor, go to a BLM protest and tell everyone there that they need to "consider the context" of how minorities have it better now they they did 100 years ago.
Doesn’t the size and scale and police reaction prove the point that society is more humane than 60 years ago? There is less at stake in these civil rights protests than the last round.

No one has said today is perfect. People are saying today is better.
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I’d be content in the 1960s.
I sometimes think so too. Strong economy. Lots of good, secure jobs, especially if you go to university. Housing is affordable. You can look forward to a secure pension. Pretty chill pace of life. Less crowded. Interesting things going on culturally.

On the other hand, unless you're a weirdo, you're getting married at 20-24 and then immediately having 2-4 kids over the next few years. So that interim between reaching adulthood and being locked into a mortgage and raising kids is about 2-5 years, instead of the 10-20 years it is today.

Your house is much smaller (kitchens, in particular, are tiny compared with today), and more people live in it. Children often share a bedroom. You probably don't have a dishwasher. Drip coffee makers and microwaves haven't been invented yet.

If you're a woman, you either have a job or kids - extremely difficult to do both since kids are sent home for lunch every day and employers make zero allowances for school schedules or parenting needs.

You work to the clock. If your company starts at 7:30 am (which many white-collar businesses in Calgary did up until the 90s because we needed to be in sync with Toronto bankers hours), that means your ass has to be sitting at your desk at 7:30 every morning. Or you're fired. You probably get two weeks vacation a year. Taking more than a handful of sick days a year marks you out as a malingerer and shirker.

You're not flying anywhere on a vacation unless you're rich. And even then it's something you might do once or twice in your life, and the most exotic destination is Hawaii or Acapulco. If live across the country from family, you might only see them again a couple times before they die. If you have family overseas, you may never see them again.

You better like meat and potatoes, because the Calgary restaurant scene consists of a bunch of burger joints, a few pizza places, and handful of Chinese restaurants. For bars you have a dozen or so grungy hotel lounges and taverns, most of which women aren't allowed to enter. Everything is closed on Sundays.

Speaking of bars, the roads on a Friday or Saturday night are thick with dudes driving hammered. And you're regarded as a freak if you wear a seat-belt.

Most people, including teenagers and high school students, smoke. Everywhere.

Life, especially for children and youths, is much more violent. It's not at all uncommon for boys to come home from school with bloody noses or broken teeth. Fights and bullying are rampant and largely shrugged off as part of life.

Pot is hard to find and you run a real risk of criminal prosecution if you buy or posses it. Porn consist of magazines, and reel-to-reel movies purchased from shady sources for stags. And of course video games, movie rentals, the internet, streaming TV, forums like this don't exist. If you're chilling at home you're reading a book, playing cards, watching Gunsmoke, or maybe assembling a model plane.

That's all just if you're a white dude. Things were obviously worse in many ways for women, racial minorities, non heteros, etc.

And of course this is all assuming we're talking about being a typical Canadian in the 60s. If we're talking global, you'd have to be deranged to chose the life of a typical person on the planet in the 60s vs today.
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Doesn’t the size and scale and police reaction prove the point that society is more humane than 60 years ago? There is less at stake in these civil rights protests than the last round.

No one has said today is perfect. People are saying today is better.
In the 60s, police and national guard sprayed live rounds in riots and shot up entire neighbourhoods. Hundreds were killed. The recent unrest in the U.S. is a fraction of the scope of the race riots of the 60s.
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Only with white male privilege
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A statement issued late today by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service indicates that someone apparently scratched the word TRUMP into algae on the animal's back.

“Manatees aren’t billboards, and people shouldn’t be messing with these sensitive and imperiled animals for any reason,” said Jaclyn Lopez, Florida director at the Center. “However this political graffiti was put on this manatee


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Old 01-13-2021, 03:04 AM   #2253
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In the 60s, police and national guard sprayed live rounds in riots and shot up entire neighbourhoods. Hundreds were killed. The recent unrest in the U.S. is a fraction of the scope of the race riots of the 60s.
what!?! surely that cant be true, there was no Black Lives Matter or Antifa then, that would imply the riots are just the result of an oppressed underclass being pushed too far and nothing to do with the radical left, that's crazy talk man!!!
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