06-19-2020, 06:35 PM
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#41
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Dragomir
Shut it down, safety comes first.
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I’m fine with this season coming to an end. With that said, how and when do you purpose they do start up again?
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06-19-2020, 07:08 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Not every job in North America has a WFH option. So while I'm thankful that most companies are being extremely cautious with their knowledge/office workers, there are tens of millions of jobs that require an element of physical activity. It's not unreasonable IMO that those industries are trying to devise some way of returning to work as safely as possible.
As I understand it, teams voted 29-2 to RTW, so it seems statistically unlikely the vote was 51-49 at each club.
Sure cancel the season, focus on next year. And then when a player tests positive in the fall, cancel that season too?
I say let these guys work through their plan to return and try to make it work. Once the players are together they can reduce their risk of infection significantly by staying inside their bubble. If they choose not to do that because they feel it's too restrictive, then no doubt we will see several positive tests and it's going to be challenging.
As I understand it no player is being forced into this so I really don't get why some are so quick to cancel their season for them.
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Teams voted 29-2 to proceed with planning. The NHLPA would need to ratify any proceedings into Phase 3 and 4.
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06-19-2020, 07:16 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Johnhitbox
I’m fine with this season coming to an end. With that said, how and when do you purpose they do start up again?
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The truth is, if we are going to wait for a vaccine, we might as well cancel next season as well. It probably won't be until spring 2021 as the earliest that a vaccine will be developed, produced and distributed to enough people. And that is being optimistic.
If we are waiting for zero cases, it's not going to happen. At some point, society is just going to start accepting the risk and consequences of going on with life as if everything is normal.
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06-19-2020, 07:23 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by troutman
Yeah, with everything going on in the world, I wonder if all sports leagues should take a breather until 2021.
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There are already sports leagues much bigger than the NHL playing right now.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
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06-19-2020, 07:47 PM
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#46
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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I wonder if they were going out much in Scottsdale...
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06-19-2020, 08:17 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Also this playoff tournament is literally the test run on how they'll be running the next season IMO.
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06-19-2020, 08:55 PM
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#48
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Richmond, BC
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Originally Posted by Dragomir
Even if he does fully recover in a month he will miss the entire camp. I hope he pulls through, this is more important than hockey.
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I hope he pulls through???
Do some research man.
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06-19-2020, 09:00 PM
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#49
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winebar Kensington
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Originally Posted by Igottago
There are already sports leagues much bigger than the NHL playing right now.
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I’m talking about North America.
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06-19-2020, 09:31 PM
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#50
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by evman150
I hope he pulls through???
Do some research man.
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I did, the experts have repeatedly told us this thing is serious regardless of who you are. Looks like you need to do some research bud.
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06-19-2020, 09:36 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by troutman
I’m talking about North America.
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Why make the distinction? It's not like the entire planet isn't dealing with Covid.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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06-19-2020, 09:41 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Igottago
Why make the distinction? It's not like the entire planet isn't dealing with Covid.
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Maybe because the majority of NHL teams are in the country with the most current cases
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06-19-2020, 09:44 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragomir
Shut it down, safety comes first.
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Play on. Safely.
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06-19-2020, 09:49 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Maybe because the majority of NHL teams are in the country with the most current cases
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Places like the UK and Spain had big issues with the virus. Its not like the premier league moved to be played in New Zealand.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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06-19-2020, 09:52 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Maybe because the majority of NHL teams are in the country with the most current cases
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Teams, but players are scattered all over the world. Half are going to Vegas and half are going to either Edmonton or Toronto when camps open, likely skipping going to their home cities all together.
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06-19-2020, 09:55 PM
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#56
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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I don't know what things are like in other places, but in the construction industry in BC interior we are flat out busy and everyone is back to work.
There is a bevy of protocols around distancing and disinfecting and there is a pretty general buy-in although most people aren't militant about it.
As a superintendent I am carrying out regular meetings to remind and reinforce my staff and trades about how we should be operating. That said, we are all going home to our families, so we aren't in any type of bubble.
My point is basically that if we can do it, why can't the NHL?
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06-19-2020, 09:58 PM
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#57
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragomir
I did, the experts have repeatedly told us this thing is serious regardless of who you are. Looks like you need to do some research bud.
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It certainly can be, but for a young professional athlete its very unlikely there will be any long term effects, and that assumes a hospitalization would be required to begin with.
2.5% of ALL people between 18-49 develop symptoms bad enough to require a hospital stay.
Of those 40-45% have no ongoing issues once recovered, a small % need a short time of medical attention once released and only 1% have acute enough symptoms that will last a lifetime.
NHL players are very very unlikely to develop bad enough symptoms that it will hurt them physically after the initial illness period, and thats if they ever show any serious sickness at all.
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06-19-2020, 10:06 PM
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#58
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Originally Posted by transplant99
It certainly can be, but for a young professional athlete its very unlikely there will be any long term effects, and that assumes a hospitalization would be required to begin with.
2.5% of ALL people between 18-49 develop symptoms bad enough to require a hospital stay.
Of those 40-45% have no ongoing issues once recovered, a small % need a short time of medical attention once released and only 1% have acute enough symptoms that will last a lifetime.
NHL players are very very unlikely to develop bad enough symptoms that it will hurt them physically after the initial illness period, and thats if they ever show any serious sickness at all.
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Of course, this is all talking about a novel virus in which there is still more unknown than known. Expecting other people to take risks without full disclosure on future complications is somewhat irresponsible. To think that illness and complications from infection is set in stone from a ~6 month old human virus is somewhat silly.
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06-19-2020, 10:08 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by transplant99
It certainly can be, but for a young professional athlete its very unlikely there will be any long term effects, and that assumes a hospitalization would be required to begin with.
2.5% of ALL people between 18-49 develop symptoms bad enough to require a hospital stay.
Of those 40-45% have no ongoing issues once recovered, a small % need a short time of medical attention once released and only 1% have acute enough symptoms that will last a lifetime.
NHL players are very very unlikely to develop bad enough symptoms that it will hurt them physically after the initial illness period, and thats if they ever show any serious sickness at all.
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It’s a bit early to be certain there won’t be long term effects that surface in people who didn’t develop bad enough symptoms or were presumed asymptomatic. There is a lengthy list of health issues people are claiming to have during/after COVID beyond just shortness of breath.
That said, won’t it be better for these players to play than not if there are long term health impacts from getting it? If already 11 have tested positive from just going about their regular daily lives I’d rather my team’s players enter some level of bubble for the next few months. Their risk of getting it there will be lower than players not playing in the playoffs and going about their regular offseason lives.
The two teams that make it to the finals will be the safest.
If they don’t play, how many players end up getting it without knowing it because they wouldn’t be being tested and because they’re young and elite health are asymptomatic.
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06-19-2020, 10:14 PM
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#60
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Yes i am aware its relatively early...but...there have been literally millions of infections world wide and the vast vast majority of those people are fine afterwards. In particular those of a young age that dont have previous conditions.
One guy im wondering about is Max Domi. He is a type 1 diabetes patient. If Im him i think long and hard before committing.Im sure there are others as well.
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