11-18-2020, 03:36 PM
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#21
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Originally Posted by Jacks
In theory yes but it that were true then escrow would be 50%+, they capped it at 20% so the owners are going to have to swallow the losses.
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It is true and that’s the issue. The 20% cap was for a single year with the players “extra share” to be essentially paid back over time through subsequent escrows while hockey revenue returned to normal.
But it’s clear the 20% no longer makes sense. No reason for the owners to front all this money and the current year player share needs to be closer to reality.
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11-18-2020, 03:38 PM
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#22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nik-
They should skip this season. Come back in Oct 2021.
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Remember when many people said that about the playoffs? Forget this bubble idea and focus on starting the 2021-21 season?
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11-18-2020, 03:49 PM
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#23
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Remember when many people said that about the playoffs? Forget this bubble idea and focus on starting the 2021-21 season?
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I remember. It's one thing to finish a season with a tournament in isolation, it's an entirely different thing to start a whole new season.
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11-18-2020, 04:23 PM
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#24
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Remember when many people said that about the playoffs? Forget this bubble idea and focus on starting the 2021-21 season?
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Ratings were brutal:
https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey...he-stanley-cup
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11-18-2020, 04:24 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by troutman
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I personally didn't watch a single minute after the Flames were out. I forgot who even won the Cup the other day and had to look it up.
I wager that there were many people like me that just couldn't be that interested.
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11-18-2020, 04:31 PM
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#26
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
Players have no leverage here. If there aren't going to be fans in the stands then the owners are going to take a beating, wouldn't be surprised if it would be cheaper for them to cancel the season.
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Not to mention, where is the NHLPA in all of this?
If they dig their heels in to get paid in the here and now despite little to no actual revenue they are going to get their teeth kicked in later as owners look to recoup losses.
Remember when player compensation was tied to 50% of Revenue? There has to be some.
It cant all be the TV deal and some bogus 'Reverse Retro' Jersey sales.
By refusing to play ball the players may be slaying the Golden Goose here.
I get that it sucks, but its the reality that we live in right now. Its not the players' fault, its not the Owners' fault. They are all simply unfortunate victims of timing.
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11-18-2020, 04:38 PM
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#27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Not to mention, where is the NHLPA in all of this?
If they dig their heels in to get paid in the here and now despite little to no actual revenue they are going to get their teeth kicked in later as owners look to recoup losses.
Remember when player compensation was tied to 50% of Revenue? There has to be some.
It cant all be the TV deal and some bogus 'Reverse Retro' Jersey sales.
By refusing to play ball the players may be slaying the Golden Goose here.
I get that it sucks, but its the reality that we live in right now. Its not the players' fault, its not the Owners' fault. They are all simply unfortunate victims of timing.
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Which is precisely why this tweet by Alan Walsh comes across as so obnoxiously tone-deaf:
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Originally Posted by Knut
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11-18-2020, 04:51 PM
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#28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Which is precisely why this tweet by Alan Walsh comes across as so obnoxiously tone-deaf:
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Allan Walsh acting like a prick in a public setting? Colour me shocked, it's just so unlike him.
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11-18-2020, 05:02 PM
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#29
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I'm still uncertain how the NHL can resume outside of the bubble. It's a gate driven league and we aren't remotely close to the point where fans in meaningful quantities will be able to attend games. I can't imagine the TV deals will be nearly enough to cover operating costs and player salaries.
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This is the most important post of this thread.
If there are no fans (which is likely) revenue is going to sink.
How is the math going to work?
I honestly think this is getting cancelled.
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11-18-2020, 05:45 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Not to mention, where is the NHLPA in all of this?
If they dig their heels in to get paid in the here and now despite little to no actual revenue they are going to get their teeth kicked in later as owners look to recoup losses.
Remember when player compensation was tied to 50% of Revenue? There has to be some.
It cant all be the TV deal and some bogus 'Reverse Retro' Jersey sales.
By refusing to play ball the players may be slaying the Golden Goose here.
I get that it sucks, but its the reality that we live in right now. Its not the players' fault, its not the Owners' fault. They are all simply unfortunate victims of timing.
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Even if the players agreed to a formula that eliminates the artificial salary cap and escrow and actually share HRR at 50% for this season, I wonder if the owners would agree.
Because that’s revenue, not income. Would there be enough after operating costs for the owners to make a penny? Still seems like there would be significant operating costs, including travel, lodging, testing, etc.
The only hope here is an extremely short season with some fans by the end of it. And the players willing to play for maybe 1/3 of what their contract otherwise calls for.
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11-18-2020, 05:57 PM
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#31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Arizona should have been relocated a long time ago.
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Yes, to Tempe, Scottsdale or Mesa.
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11-18-2020, 08:56 PM
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#33
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Asking for three years instead of one is either a negotiation ploy, or greedy.
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11-18-2020, 09:01 PM
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#34
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Great comment by Friedman in there. Concern is that the revenue split currently tilts heavily towards the players. If the escrow cap is too low over remainder of the CBA, exactly how does that get made up?
When I hear players argue about escrow, I think they’re really arguing about the 50/50 revenue split and don’t want their salaries directly linked to hockey revenues.
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11-18-2020, 09:05 PM
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#35
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Originally Posted by troutman
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Yeah they were down considerably from prior year. As were MLB and NBA.
There are a number of factors at work there to be sure not the least of which is hockey in summer. Does it mean you don’t play?
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11-18-2020, 09:13 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Asking for three years instead of one is either a negotiation ploy, or greedy.
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Is it?
If you and I win the lottery and we agreed to split the $1 million 50/50 but you took $600K because you really wanted the money now, is it greedy that I’d ask you to pay me back the $100K?
If you said you could only pay back $33k per year, then I’d be looking for you to keep paying me back past year one. As it is, you’re getting your money up front and paying me back without interest.
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11-18-2020, 09:50 PM
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#37
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Has the NHL actually accepted money from the networks to provide a product for the 2020-2021 regular season?
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11-18-2020, 10:13 PM
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#38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troutman
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tournament should have been in the fall...people have #### to do in the summer
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11-18-2020, 10:15 PM
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#39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
tournament should have been in the fall...people have #### to do in the summer
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No one would agree to remain in Edmonton past the first week of October.
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11-18-2020, 10:55 PM
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#40
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knut
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Screw it. Play it out.
I'd bet that after expenses the players will have played practically for free.
"You get half of HRR. Half of practically nothing is practically nothing."
This is why you hate these scenarios because when the going gets tough one side wants to be entirely insulated against all consequences.
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