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Old 08-14-2019, 04:20 PM   #81
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Australians anywhere, basically a whole continent of Florida Man.
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Old 08-14-2019, 05:12 PM   #82
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This was around 5 years ago and yes a lot of them were "inferior". You can't really blame them. They were mostly stuck in communist China for decades and never got to see the outside world.
I'm sure they are better now that they are travelling more. They better be. I know a few hotel managers in Richmond/Vancouver and when they first starting getting Mainland Chinese tourists, they would take everything from the hotel room. Pillow cases, desk lamps, coathangers, hair dryers, and yes even shower curtains. It was like a pack of "locusts" went by....

Anyways back to my last experience there. 40 year old grown men knocked my 6 year old over running to the line for the Toy Story ride. Saw 3 fights started at Ocean Park for i think budging in line.. where 2 of them had to get security to escort them out. Waiting in line at Disney some little kid needed to pee so his mom pulls down his pants and he starts pissing into bushes while we were waiting in line.

I mean some HK people are rude too. This 80 year old hk lady poked me in the calf a few times with her umbrella because i was walking to slow. Prob deserved it as i was carrying a huge backpack and it was +35c.

So you have a handful of anecdotal experiences of a certain group of people (mind you, a group from a population that is 40X that of Canada and therefore you are much more likely to run into #######s from that group) and you decide to paint the entire group with disgusting racial slur like language. Also, as for your friends in the hotel industry that say Chinese people stole items. I highly doubt that all of them, even more than a small minority of them did the same thing. However, because they look different than you and speak a different language, it becomes salacious and sensational to say "look at that entire group of people we are better than" based on the actions of a few. That's what disgusts me about the whole thing. White people do something immoral and the reaction is "oh that person must be mentally ill" or some other justification that contains the action to the individual. Not white? Oh the entire ethnicity must be inferior. It's nothing more than racism and you know it. Although I suppose there is nothing anyone can do about it as the pervasive primal human tribal mindset is still wired to gain acceptance into the in-group and ostracize the out-group.
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Old 08-14-2019, 06:25 PM   #84
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So you have a handful of anecdotal experiences of a certain group of people (mind you, a group from a population that is 40X that of Canada and therefore you are much more likely to run into #######s from that group) and you decide to paint the entire group with disgusting racial slur like language. Also, as for your friends in the hotel industry that say Chinese people stole items. I highly doubt that all of them, even more than a small minority of them did the same thing. However, because they look different than you and speak a different language, it becomes salacious and sensational to say "look at that entire group of people we are better than" based on the actions of a few. That's what disgusts me about the whole thing. White people do something immoral and the reaction is "oh that person must be mentally ill" or some other justification that contains the action to the individual. Not white? Oh the entire ethnicity must be inferior. It's nothing more than racism and you know it. Although I suppose there is nothing anyone can do about it as the pervasive primal human tribal mindset is still wired to gain acceptance into the in-group and ostracize the out-group.


Yeah I mean what kind of dick would make judgements on a whole group based upon his or her own experiences?

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I don't mean to be a snob and I definitely don't mean to look down on blue collar people, but the fact of the matter is blue collar workers spend their days working in an environment where their decorum is not an important factor. This seeps into their interactions with everyone else which results in more cursing/rough language and less filtering of expressed thoughts. I'm not a purse-clutching prude, but sorry I do tend to notice things like this as do most people.
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Heads up for any Hong Kong citizen heading to China, you may be detained, refused entry, forced to have spy apps installed on your phone, forced to delete photos, and otherwise harassed by Chinese immigration officials. At the very least you will have your phone searched and private messages read.

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Hong kongers trying to cross the border into mainland China have reported being asked to unlock their mobile phones by immigration officers for the inspection of photos and videos related to the anti-extradition bill protests.

Of 10 travellers who shared their experiences with the Post, five said mainland authorities had also inspected their private messages at land control points between Hong Kong and the neighbouring city of Shenzhen.

In one case a Hongkonger was not allowed to return to the city, while another claims he was forced to delete all relevant videos and images.

All of them – most of whom declined to be named as they cross the border regularly and feared repercussions if they were named – said this was the first time they had the contents of their phone examined.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...kongers-phones

More on the spy app likely being used by Chinese immigration
https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/2/20...hones-xinjiang

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Anecdotal experience prescribed to the majority of any group is pretty much the definition of assigning stereotypes, so I'm not sure why people seem to be arguing it (this includes the whole "Americans in Cuba" example). Narrowing that assignment to a race, is racist. Further, the argument that Chinese from the mainland somehow are lesser because they come from communist China blows my mind.
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Humans are awful. No need to get specific with any one subgroup of them.
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So you have a handful of anecdotal experiences of a certain group of people (mind you, a group from a population that is 40X that of Canada and therefore you are much more likely to run into #######s from that group) and you decide to paint the entire group with disgusting racial slur like language. Also, as for your friends in the hotel industry that say Chinese people stole items. I highly doubt that all of them, even more than a small minority of them did the same thing. However, because they look different than you and speak a different language, it becomes salacious and sensational to say "look at that entire group of people we are better than" based on the actions of a few. That's what disgusts me about the whole thing. White people do something immoral and the reaction is "oh that person must be mentally ill" or some other justification that contains the action to the individual. Not white? Oh the entire ethnicity must be inferior. It's nothing more than racism and you know it. Although I suppose there is nothing anyone can do about it as the pervasive primal human tribal mindset is still wired to gain acceptance into the in-group and ostracize the out-group.
I'm chinese and I speak both Mandarin and Cantonese. Worked in Hong Kong for 4 years and in Shenzen for 1.
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Anecdotal experience prescribed to the majority of any group is pretty much the definition of assigning stereotypes, so I'm not sure why people seem to be arguing it (this includes the whole "Americans in Cuba" example). Narrowing that assignment to a race, is racist. Further, the argument that Chinese from the mainland somehow are lesser because they come from communist China blows my mind.
I think your missing the point here. No one directly said mainland Chinese people are inferior. It’s obviously not right to paint an entire brush over a race or group of people. What people are saying is that they see why people do so in places like HK or elsewhere because it’s hard to not notice the distinguishable difference in how a large majority of mainlanders act and treat other people abroad. Nobody is a set way because of the color of their skin or the place they were born however they certainly can fall into a stereotype by the culture and customs they were raised in. And obviously those clash with a lot of the people in HK and the way they are with their own customs and culture. Even though they both are very similar otherwise.
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I think your missing the point here. No one directly said mainland Chinese people are inferior. It’s obviously not right to paint an entire brush over a race or group of people. What people are saying is that they see why people do so in places like HK or elsewhere because it’s hard to not notice the distinguishable difference in how a large majority of mainlanders act and treat other people abroad. Nobody is a set way because of the color of their skin or the place they were born however they certainly can fall into a stereotype by the culture and customs they were raised in. And obviously those clash with a lot of the people in HK and the way they are with their own customs and culture. Even though they both are very similar otherwise.
I'm not sure about that. Re-stating that a group of people are indeed inferior because they are mainlanders, but putting inferior in quotes, doesn't somehow take away from the statement. Also doesn't matter if the person stating this happens to be Chinese. Plenty of folks from Hong Kong are blatantly judgemental towards those from the mainland. Frankly, it's disgusting and very disappointing, the level of self hate.
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I'm not sure about that. Re-stating that a group of people are indeed inferior because they are mainlanders, but putting inferior in quotes, doesn't somehow take away from the statement. Also doesn't matter if the person stating this happens to be Chinese. Plenty of folks from Hong Kong are blatantly judgemental towards those from the mainland. Frankly, it's disgusting and very disappointing, the level of self hate.
What do you even mean here by “self hate”? Do they need to adopt the same group identity because they have similar physical features? That seems like a pretty racist suggestion too.
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What do you even mean here by “self hate”? Do they need to adopt the same group identity because they have similar physical features? That seems like a pretty racist suggestion too.
No, I don't think they need to do what you're suggesting. I'm simply saying that it's discouraging to me when I see some HKers or non mainland Chinese wiping all mainlanders with the same brush because someone poked them in the leg once with an umbrella or their hotel front desk agent told them once that all mainlanders are thieves. It's bad enough that some others out there feel it's valid to stereotype, and even more discouraging that some other Chinese are doing the same.

Anyways, it's clear that people are going to hold firm on their views being right. Arguing about it isn't going to change anyone's minds.
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Fights and conflicts breaking out in Melbourne at pro-HK demonstration where one China counterprotesters showed up.

I think we may start to see the power of having a country with a dominant social media platform for their population being so controlled by the state. It's a tool for state manipulation of Chinese not just in the mainland, but around the world. Dangerous.
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There was also a big counter demonstration in HK.
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There have been a lot of counter demonstrations in HK, but I imagine this wouldn't surprise most people who recognize HK as a part of China anyways, or at least as clearly inside China's sphere. I think the more interesting thing is the pushback against pro-HK activities outside of China's sphere, such as have been increasingly taking place in places like Australia, or even Vancouver. When everyone Chinese uses wechat and wechat content is controlled by the state to push strong nationalist messaging, China is pushing its sphere into places that will feel much closer to home to people in the West who have been previously unaware.
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There have been a lot of counter demonstrations in HK, but I imagine this wouldn't surprise most people who recognize HK as a part of China anyways, or at least as clearly inside China's sphere. I think the more interesting thing is the pushback against pro-HK activities outside of China's sphere, such as have been increasingly taking place in places like Australia, or even Vancouver. When everyone Chinese uses wechat and wechat content is controlled by the state to push strong nationalist messaging, China is pushing its sphere into places that will feel much closer to home to people in the West who have been previously unaware.

HK is nothing. Wechat pushes that Taiwan is part of China.
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A not unreasonable question to ask and explore could be whether or not countries such as Australia, Canada etc. should be blocking wechat. If it's a tool of the Chinese state to directly surveil users and to deliver content to manipulate political ideologies of users, should it be tolerated? I mean, it's one thing to have foreign nations taking advantage of open platforms to influence segments of the domestic populations, but it's another thing to have an entire platform controlled by a foreign nation and used by them to surveil and influence a segment of the domestic population.
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