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Old 07-01-2019, 05:10 PM   #1121
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So, whats next? Kadri is gone.

Anyone else the Flames can go after for second line depth?

Or are we really planning on going with a logjam on defense? Not good planning at all.
Turris for Neal.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:10 PM   #1122
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Well I’m starting to think we’re going into training camp with mostly the same squad.
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At this point we are better off at having Lindholm start taking the FO draws as the 2C and then find a winger at a cheap price. Not very many center options right now.
Wingers drying up fast too. Not much out there. Mojo, aaaand that's all I'd really want.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:14 PM   #1124
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:15 PM   #1125
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At this point, I want the Flames to stand pat, trade for more cap space, and sign their RFAs.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:17 PM   #1126
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Well I’m starting to think we’re going into training camp with mostly the same squad.
In that case, I am disappointed that the team and players identified a need to be fixed and the GM did absolutely nothing to fix it.

This whole "growing internally" BS does not mean anything. I would bet anything that guys like Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski are not going to come back next season all of a sudden being tough to play against. They needed to bring in players who give a #### and have another gear..even Frolik recognized that.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:20 PM   #1127
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In that case, I am disappointed that the team and players identified a need to be fixed and the GM did absolutely nothing to fix it.

This whole "growing internally" BS does not mean anything. I would bet anything that guys like Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski are not going to come back next season all of a sudden being tough to play against. They needed to bring in players who give a #### and have another gear..even Frolik recognized that.
Please expand on that first paragraph, I heard nothing about this.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:23 PM   #1128
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At this point we need to hope Lindholm can be moved to 2C and perform there, as well as have some wingers step up their games.

Neal needs to improve
Czarnik needs to be more consistent
Bennett needs to find his offense
Mangiapane needs to take the next step
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:25 PM   #1129
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At this point we need to hope Lindholm can be moved to 2C and perform there, as well as have some wingers step up their games.

Neal needs to improve
Czarnik needs to be more consistent
Bennett needs to find his offense
Mangiapane needs to take the next step
Dube can also help the big club out this year.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:26 PM   #1130
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Please expand on that first paragraph, I heard nothing about this.
The identified need is for the Flames to be tougher to play against. I know that Frolik said the Flames need to get bigger and meaner. IIRC similar comments came from the Flames management.

Losing Hathaway does not help either.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:29 PM   #1131
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What team could use a Dman still??

I’m holding out hope for a hometown discount Ferland and 1 year deal for Justin Williams.

Brodie for picks
Frolik for picks
Buyout or Demote Stone

Ferland 4 x 3.5
Williams 1 x 2 + 2 in bonuses


Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Williams
Bennett - Backlund - Neal
Mangiapane - Dube - Ryan

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Yelesin
Kylington

Rittich
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:31 PM   #1132
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Would there be any cap savings if the Flames send Stone to the minors?
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:32 PM   #1133
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What team could use a Dman still??

I’m holding out hope for a hometown discount Ferland and 1 year deal for Justin Williams.

Brodie for picks
Frolik for picks
Buyout or Demote Stone

Ferland 4 x 3.5
Williams 1 x 2 + 2 in bonuses


Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Williams
Bennett - Backlund - Neal
Mangiapane - Dube - Ryan

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Yelesin
Kylington

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I would rather just drop Stone and stay with the current roster. I also dont see a lot of scenarios where Williams comes here for his retirement season..
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:32 PM   #1134
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If Kadri did block a trade to Calgary that sucks. I think he would have fit in well here. Unless some other trades happen in the summer I don't think the Flames will be much different next year.



Tre is handcuffed by Neal and Tkachuk though, so not really surprising. Are there any decent rws we can get for Brodie.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:33 PM   #1135
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What team could use a Dman still??

I’m holding out hope for a hometown discount Ferland and 1 year deal for Justin Williams.

Brodie for picks
Frolik for picks
Buyout or Demote Stone

Ferland 4 x 3.5
Williams 1 x 2 + 2 in bonuses


Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Williams
Bennett - Backlund - Neal
Mangiapane - Dube - Ryan

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Yelesin
Kylington

Rittich
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I would rater have Dzingel but I can live with Ferland (as long as he isnt injured).

I would switch Neal and Mangiapane.. also not sure why you have Dube playing center as a rookie instead of Ryan who did very well last season in that role.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:33 PM   #1136
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I think everyone needs to chill. Seems like some major overreactions to not landing Kadri or making a franchise altering deal today. They didn't need that. Moves to keep cap complaint and signing RFAs will come. Adding grit will come later. Heck even adding scoring with guys that didn't get signed today could come as soon as tomorrow.

Edit - Probably the wrong thread but screw it. Canada Day. Forgiveness is truly Canadian.
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Would there be any cap savings if the Flames send Stone to the minors?
https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

"The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:

2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000"
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At this point we need to hope Lindholm can be moved to 2C and perform there, as well as have some wingers step up their games.

Neal needs to improve
Czarnik needs to be more consistent
Bennett needs to find his offense
Mangiapane needs to take the next step
Jankowski needs to take a big step forward too. If we do end up going into next season with a third line of Bennett - Jankowski - Neal again, all 3 need to pull their heads out of their asses
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I would rater have Dzingel but I can live with Ferland (as long as he isnt injured).

I would switch Neal and Mangiapane.. also not sure why you have Dube playing center as a rookie instead of Ryan who did very well last season in that role.
Have Ryan there on the line splitting duties/showing Dube the ropes as Center. They can share the duties but I should have been clearer on that - kinda like Monahan/Lindholm last year.

Edit - totally forgot about Jankowski too
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https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

"The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:

2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000"
Thanks for providing that!
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