View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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16.80% |
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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197 |
30.35% |
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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187 |
28.81% |
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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107 |
16.49% |
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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7.55% |
08-10-2019, 06:30 PM
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#2801
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Participant
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Originally Posted by ShotDownInFlames12
*citation needed
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Or you could just look it up.
Mark Schiefele and Ryan O’Rielly have both trained with Oates and publicly given him credit for improving their game.
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08-10-2019, 06:44 PM
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#2802
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Ok so where wold Lucic play?
Top line, no.
Second line, which badly needs to be able to score, and really didn’t the last month and playoffs of last year? Probably not, but that line has to be revamped somehow regardless.
Third line with Bennett and Jankowski then?
4th line, likely not, at least to start.
I’d hope that if he picked it up and his skills and skating had a bit of a rebirth, he could get second line time. On the downside, it would mean our second line, which needs to be much better to support the first line, is fumbling.
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08-10-2019, 07:09 PM
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#2803
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Scoring Winger
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Lucic on top line in the playoffs for sure. Don't care where he plays regular season.
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08-10-2019, 07:22 PM
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#2804
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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In the Oates world of better scoring, production begins with the stick (proper fit essential) and puck handling.
Too many players, by his eye, overtrain on both shooting and conditioning. To wit, the Oates take on each:
■ “Shooting is the most overrated thing to work on in the world. Because, think about it, some guys get one shot every two games and it’s a rebound, a tip, a breakaway. Your job is to be in the right spot at the right time. That’s it. Get there. Execute that. If you do that, you’ll get more shots. If you get to that point, and you’re still not scoring, then we’ll talk about shot.”
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Reminds me of how Jagr noted that a lot of people can get to the wrong place faster than him.
Also the reference to having the right stick. Don’t tell James Neal that Oates has this figured out! Just kidding. Neal is no good.
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08-10-2019, 07:35 PM
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#2805
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by browna
Ok so where wold Lucic play?
Top line, no.
Second line, which badly needs to be able to score, and really didn’t the last month and playoffs of last year? Probably not, but that line has to be revamped somehow regardless.
Third line with Bennett and Jankowski then?
4th line, likely not, at least to start.
I’d hope that if he picked it up and his skills and skating had a bit of a rebirth, he could get second line time. On the downside, it would mean our second line, which needs to be much better to support the first line, is fumbling.
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Put him on the 2nd line and move Chucky to RW. Imagine how much more ######ry Chucky can pull off with nobody wanting to do anything for fear Looch will pound them.
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08-10-2019, 11:19 PM
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#2806
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Put him on the 2nd line and move Chucky to RW. Imagine how much more ######ry Chucky can pull off with nobody wanting to do anything for fear Looch will pound them.
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That might actually be a bad thing, though.
If opponents are too afraid to retaliate to Tkachuk for getting under their skin just because Lucic is there, that takes away one of Tkachuk's best qualities, which is drawing penalties.
On the other end, if opponents do still continue to retaliate and take dumb penalties against Tkachuk, Lucic coming in to protect him while getting a minor penalty himself will just negate the PP Tkachuk drew.
Doesn't make too much sense to me.
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08-10-2019, 11:30 PM
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#2807
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
That might actually be a bad thing, though.
If opponents are too afraid to retaliate to Tkachuk for getting under their skin just because Lucic is there, that takes away one of Tkachuk's best qualities, which is drawing penalties.
On the other end, if opponents do still continue to retaliate and take dumb penalties against Tkachuk, Lucic coming in to protect him while getting a minor penalty himself will just negate the PP Tkachuk drew.
Doesn't make too much sense to me.
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i think you just get more menace, tkachuk can't help the way he plays and opponents can't help the way it makes them feel. better get used to it.
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08-11-2019, 02:14 AM
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#2808
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Not Abu Dhabi
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“Shooting is the most overrated thing to work on in the world. Because, think about it, some guys get one shot every two games and it’s a rebound, a tip, a breakaway. Your job is to be in the right spot at the right time. That’s it. Get there. Execute that. If you do that, you’ll get more shots. If you get to that point, and you’re still not scoring, then we’ll talk about shot.”
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Hah, truly spoken like a guy that routinely get 3x the assists as he did goals. Shooting wasn't exactly Adam's strong suit either.
Mind you, very few have ever dished the puck like he did.
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08-11-2019, 03:49 AM
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#2809
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Originally Posted by JD
Hah, truly spoken like a guy that routinely get 3x the assists as he did goals. Shooting wasn't exactly Adam's strong suit either.
Mind you, very few have ever dished the puck like he did.
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James Neal wrote an article in the Athletic about being a sniper.
Maybe look at Oates’s overall accomplishments more closely when considering his ability to advise players
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After stints coaching the Capitals and New Jersey Devils, Oates works as a roving skills consultant and lists NHL players Steven Stamkos, Alex Ovechkin, Zach Parise and Ryan Suter among his clients.
Even in retirement, the world's best hockey players can count on Oates for an assist.
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Last edited by DeluxeMoustache; 08-11-2019 at 04:00 AM.
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08-11-2019, 06:29 AM
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#2810
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Can he get a 5 on 5 coach too?
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Bill Peters?
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08-11-2019, 08:21 AM
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#2811
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Not Abu Dhabi
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Maybe look at Oates’s overall accomplishments more closely when considering his ability to advise players
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Uh, I just made a playful snipe at Oates' for his lack of scoring during his playing career and the irony in what he was saying. I didn't say anything at all about whether or not he would be a good advisor. I'm well aware of his resume... Hopefully he helps Lucic.
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08-11-2019, 08:39 AM
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#2812
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by browna
Until they get there and realize it's much worse then they heard about.
I have heard from a good source back when that even McLellan couldn't believe how dysfunctional the organization was and how much energy that zapped from players day to day and year to year. Talent is going to waste, and then with cap problems due to overpaying guys to go there, there is no easy fix, and, players aren't waiving to go to Edmonton either.
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The problem for us is - It just takes one guy in upper management to fix it, one guy with the power to actually make the change - is Holland that guy? With Bob and Lowe, etal, there - I'm wondering what anyone could get done to these ends... but if Katz every woke up from his treatments (I hope he's better or get's better) or if Nicholson or Lowe finally realize that they're in fact the problem - things could change quickly.
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08-11-2019, 09:08 AM
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#2813
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Bill Peters?
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Bill has an off-season training outfit for players?
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08-11-2019, 12:19 PM
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#2814
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Will Lucic get moved up in situations where Johnny is getting worked over or is taking to many off the hands?
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08-11-2019, 12:21 PM
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#2815
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by Azhouse
Will Lucic get moved up in situations where Johnny is getting worked over or is taking to many off the hands?
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Yup. I probably would have disagreed with the idea 3 years ago. But it’s long overdue.
Career high this year for Johnny. Book it.
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08-11-2019, 12:31 PM
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#2816
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Yup. I probably would have disagreed with the idea 3 years ago. But it’s long overdue.
Career high this year for Johnny. Book it.
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You could tell from Johnny’s recent interview that he’s pretty stoked. Maybe he won’t blatantly embellish the way he’s been known to do. He’ll let it get handled on the ice.
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08-11-2019, 12:33 PM
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#2817
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Powerplay Quarterback
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That alone makes Lucic>Neal.
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08-11-2019, 12:47 PM
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#2818
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azhouse
That alone makes Lucic>Neal.
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If the guy wants to be here and is putting in an honest effort to improve to be a useful part of the team that also puts him way ahead of Neal, hopefully the results in a few months prove that.
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08-11-2019, 01:47 PM
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#2819
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Calgary
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Gaudreau on Lucic.
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Originally Posted by MissTeeks
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"Gaudreau said he's confident the 6-foot-3, 231-pound forward can be a force for the Flames."
"You don't really realize how big a presence he is on the ice," Gaudreau said. "When you play against a team like that and you have a player like that who can get into the corners, big body, get in front of the net, he really helps your team. I think that's what we've been looking for in our team. I think he can push us over the edge here."
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08-11-2019, 07:34 PM
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#2820
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Lifetime Suspension
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It's interesting how players who are on the ice with these guys have a pretty different take than fans about another player.
The guys out there that have dealt with lucic dont consider him useless at all.
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