Jessica Yaniv case

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by you&me

Agreed, that's a very reasonable and logical way of looking at the situation.

Sometimes I find it hard to keep track of who's upset by what...So, who's upset about this, vandalizing the VRRWS? A trans-person that's been denied services? Someone that's opposed to the VRRWS denying services to trans-people?

At a minimum, I think that the women that have to use the VRRWS should not be subjected to death threats by whomever is vandalizing the centre.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by you&me

Agreed, that's a very reasonable and logical way of looking at the situation.

Sometimes I find it hard to keep track of who's upset by what...So, who's upset about this, vandalizing the VRRWS? A trans-person that's been denied services? Someone that's opposed to the VRRWS denying services to trans-people?

Some very powerful people in this province have directed their influence and opposition to the VRRWS.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do we want equality for the trans community or not?

Or do we need to have men’s shelters, women’s shelters, men who identify as women shelters and women who identify as men shelters?

Do we expect men who identify as women to use the men’s shelter which caters to men and may not be able to sufficiently help?

all fair points but they don't address the point I made, you are not going to be able to provide services to both communities in the same space that will work for both.

And yes the answer is you have more than one shelter as the safety of the women over rides any political issue around transgender acceptance

[Wormius]

Maybe the thread title could be changed to the “ongoing frivolous human rights commission complaints”.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...jobs-1.5264869

Todd, whom the justice centre is only identifying by his first name, posted a Kijiji ad in August 2017 looking for someone to watch his kids while he was out with friends

Todd's dinner plans fell through and he no longer needed a babysitter, the justice centre said. The next day, Cyrynowski complained to the human rights commission that Todd discriminated against him based on age and gender. Todd was not informed of the complaint until this July.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Maybe the thread title could be changed to the “ongoing frivolous human rights commission complaints”.

Or correctly titled Old Man Deals with Transphobia.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Maybe the thread title could be changed to the “ongoing frivolous human rights commission complaints”.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...jobs-1.5264869

If you think advertising on kijji for some random person to come look after your kids is a good idea maybe you deserve to get sued.

[monkeyman]

If people really cared about human rights and those who are being discriminated against, they'd be angered by these cases.
All they do is tie up the courts time, cost money and marginalize those with real complaints making it harder for them to be heard.

[Ducay]

Havn't followed this much in the last month, is the Yaniv pedophile/pervert in jail yet?

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Rando

Or correctly titled Old Man Deals with Transphobia.

You can at least try being a little less obvious...

[jayswin]

What do you mean by less obvious?

[CaptainYooh]

I am sure he knows

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I am sure he knows

I am sure nobody does :P

[Ark2]

The child, who has the support of his mother, has identified as male since age 11. After he was diagnosed with gender dysphoria, he was referred by a psychologist to specialists at the B.C. Children’s Hospital. The hospital’s gender clinic concluded in the summer of 2018 it was in the child’s best interests to proceed with hormone therapy to help his transition from a female body to a male one.

The father went to court to try to block the treatment from proceeding, but in February B.C. Supreme Court Justice Gregory Bowden ruled that the child was “exclusively entitled” to consent to treatment.

Bowden went on to declare that the child must also be referred to as male or using male pronouns. To do otherwise would constitute “family violence.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/transg...al-court-hears

Using the "wrong" pronouns constitutes "family violence"?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ark2

https://nationalpost.com/news/transg...al-court-hears

Using the "wrong" pronouns constitutes "family violence"?

Well, using the wrong pronouns on purpose is emotionally abusive, so sure, I could see that.

If a dad was calling his boy a "little girl" we would pretty easily classify that as emotional abuse.


Disagree with the overall ruling though. 11 is too young for hormone therapy. Way too young.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well, using the wrong pronouns on purpose is emotionally abusive, so sure, I could see that.

If a dad was calling his boy a "little girl" we would pretty easily classify that as emotional abuse.


Disagree with the overall ruling though. 11 is too young for hormone therapy. Way too young.

Well he's 14 now and was probably going through puberty, developing breasts, etc. I would think if you're a boy in a girls body, you'd want the hormone therapy before you fully developed breasts and whatnot.

[PepsiFree]

To be fair I did not read the article (just the post). 14 makes more sense, especially if this has been a consistent desire for some time.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well he's 14 now and was probably going through puberty, developing breasts, etc. I would think if you're a boy in a girls body, you'd want the hormone therapy before you fully developed breasts and whatnot.

Pretty much the exact opposite. Most go back to their original sex after puberty but with life long issues from therapies initiated at a much too young age.

[PepsiFree]

At the end of the day, whether you make the cut off 14, 16, or 18, there are potential downsides.

My biggest worry would be a child making a life-altering decision when they're too young to make that decision. But on the other side, waiting until 18+ also involves some serious setbacks and obstacles for individuals with genuine gender dysphoria.

I can't speak for what's right for other people, but I'm glad I was not in that situation as a child.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well he's 14 now and was probably going through puberty, developing breasts, etc. I would think if you're a boy in a girls body, you'd want the hormone therapy before you fully developed breasts and whatnot.

I don't have the stats in front of me, but I recall reading that the majority of people affected by gender dysphoria grow out of it after adolescence. If that is true, it doesn't seem that the courts give it much weight considering that they are advocating in favour of these individuals undergoing physically life altering procedures.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

At the end of the day, whether you make the cut off 14, 16, or 18, there are potential downsides.

My biggest worry would be a child making a life-altering decision when they're too young to make that decision. But on the other side, waiting until 18+ also involves some serious setbacks and obstacles for individuals with genuine gender dysphoria.

I can't speak for what's right for other people, but I'm glad I was not in that situation as a child.

My biggest worry is it's not the kids that are pushing the decision but the parents, the parents of these kids seem to be clearly really wanting their kids to be transgendered or at the very least 'groovy and interesting in a lefty kind of way' in the same way that the parents of racists are usually also wack jobs, I have an 11 year old foster son who seems to likely to grow up to be gay or possibly transgendered, it is not my job to encourage this, it is my job to let him know I will love him and stand by him what ever path he chooses for himself.

My job, every parents job, is to give my kid the space and freedom to work out what the hell he wants to be firm in the knowledge that I will be his dad no matter what.