[Rumour] Zucker shopped to CGY for Bennett + Frolik, VAN for Boeser, ARI for Dvorak, + others

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

My guess is that this is Fenton attempting to take advantage of a General Manager who sucks at his job in Vancouver. Were I ever in a deal with Dim Jim Benning I would be seeing my terms in the realm of incredulity as well.

Knowing Benning he probably accepted the deal but Fenton tried to get greedy and ask for picks. Then even Benning knew it was too much.

[Split98]

I don't know much about Zucker really

...so is he a $5M player? Is he a lock on our 2nd line?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Split98

I don't know much about Zucker really

...so is he a $5M player? Is he a lock on our 2nd line?

He had a down year after breaking out the year previous. Minnesota may be looking to divest themselves of the risk.

So, is Zucker the 2017/2018 player - or the 2018/2019 player? I believe I read that Zucker produced half of his points in ‘18/‘19 on the PP but was not very strong during 5v5 play - so definitely an area where our pro scouts would have to believe he’s more the 17/18 player than the 18/19 player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He had a down year after breaking out the year previous. Minnesota may be looking to divest themselves of the risk.

So, is Zucker the 2017/2018 player - or the 2018/2019 player? I believe I read that Zucker produced half of his points in ‘18/‘19 on the PP but was not very strong during 5v5 play - so definitely an area where our pro scouts would have to believe he’s more the 17/18 player than the 18/19 player.

Is he Lindholm - about to pop? Or Neal - about to burst?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Split98

I don't know much about Zucker really

...so is he a $5M player? Is he a lock on our 2nd line?

I think he's probably both of those things. I'd say in the right situation, he's good for about 50-60 points on average for about 5 years in a second line role. However, his value is at its lowest after last season, so an by the Wild attempt to sell him as if his value were well above its peak (because he's likely not a first line guy going forward) is embarrassing.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

God.

Stop saying this.

I don’t like the term cap dump in this case either, but certainly his salary is the main reason the Wild want to move him. They don’t seem to be targeting a certain player.

[GreenLantern]

Buying high on Zucker and selling low on Bennett, no thanks.

[djsFlames]

Frolik, sure.

Bennett no, and certainly not boeser for Van.

[Fan in Exile]

Crazy. If Zucker's so valuable, why are they trying so hard to get rid of him? I mean Granlund only got back Fiala at the trade deadline, and Neidereiter only returned Rask. What suddenly made Zucker so valuable?

[bax]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Buying high on Zucker and selling low on Bennett, no thanks.

Zucker just had the worst season he has had since 2015. Not exactly buying high.

[Royle9]

I read it as either or Frolik/Bennett not both.. but based on their ask from both ARZ and VAN I'm assuming they want both for Zucker.

Zucker is probably a slight upgrade on Frolik offensively especially on the PP but also comes at a higher cap hit. I'd consider it but wouldn't be giving up a 1st/2nd or Bennett.

I personally feel we need more RHS's we've got far too many lefties.
If I'm adding I'd much rather want J.T out of TBL then Zucker unless we can find a way to fit both.

[JTech780]

We need to improve our speed and compete level, Zucker brings both those qualities in spades.

I agree that Bennett shouldn't be part of the deal.

I would also try and see if we could get Eriksson Ek in the deal as well, with Jankowski and another small piece going the other way.

[Toonage]

Go full blockbuster. Grab Zucker, Rask, Pateryn & Dubnyk

Blockbuster probably too strong a word there.

[Scornfire]

These are some hilarious asks from Minnesota/Fenton, dude's gunna make a reputation for himself asking for these kind of valuations

[bigrangy]

It looks like I have not done my research. Zucker seems to have been quite the effective player, up until last year.

Is last year real or just a down year that could be exploited by BT? Thinking about it, I’d go with the latter.

I don’t think he’s worth premium assets, because he’s not a difference maker. But he’s solid enough to be worth putting in the lineup.

I can see Minnesota being scared of what happened this year and trying to get out from that contract before it might become unmovable. But I am sure BT and the team have done their homework.

[N-E-B]

I would have done Frolik for Zucker. He’s a good player.

He’s better than Bennett too but when you take age and contracts into consideration I wouldn’t trade Bennett for him.

[bax]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

It looks like I have not done my research. Zucker seems to have been quite the effective player, up until last year.

Is last year real or just a down year that could be exploited by BT? Thinking about it, I’d go with the latter.

I don’t think he’s worth premium assets, because he’s not a difference maker. But he’s solid enough to be worth putting in the lineup.

I can see Minnesota being scared of what happened this year and trying to get out from that contract before it might become unmovable. But I am sure BT and the team have done their homework.

There is no reason to be afraid of that contract. I hope that's what Minnesota is thinking and gives him up to Calgary for cheap.

Zucker's expected goals total last year was 26. This is based on the quality and quantity of his chances. Only 11 players in the league played 1000 EV minutes last season and averaged more scoring chances per 20 minutes than Zucker. Of those players 5 scored 40 and 10 scored 30 or more.

If anything, Minnesota is selling low here, not high. Exactly like they did with Niederreiter. This could be a good opportunity to add a 30 goal guy for relatively cheap.

*Stats taken from Mike Kelly from The Point

[Sylvanfan]

Given what he's actually fetched in trades this appears to be Fenton trying to fix all his mistakes in a single go.

I don't see anything so special about Zucker to give Frolik and Bennett. But I suppose if someone thinks Bennett's value is a single second round pick, than it's less than Frolik+1st which is what the Flames had reportedly offered at the deadline.

Personally I'd rather use the better assets like first round picks to try and get more impactful players than Zucker at this point in time, or guys who play positions that the Flames need help at like C or natural RW.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I don't see anything so special about Zucker to give Frolik and Bennett. But I suppose if someone thinks Bennett's value is a single second round pick, than it's less than Frolik+1st which is what the Flames had reportedly offered at the deadline.

I dunno... I think it's a tougher question then that.

I mean what is Bennett's trade value? He's basically got two years of team control left and he produces at a level pretty consistent with a quality 3rd line winger. Hockey-Graphs has a salary projection model and on a 3 year contract the estimate him at $2.85M... considering he has arbitration rights that sounds pretty realistic. Dispassionately speaking, would you trade a 1st round pick for a quality 3rd line wing making 2.85M for three years (UFA afterwards)?

I'm kind of on the fence about this deal but I don't think it's obviously bad. We'd be trading one year of Frolik for one year of Zucker (which I do in a heartbeat even though I like Frolik) and three years of Bennett (at roughly 2.85M) for the next three years of Zucker... that's where some risk happens because we'd have to project future performance.

Digging deeper what (if any) is the drop off from giving Bennett's minutes to Mangiapane (and Mangiapane's minutes to Dube)? If we assume consistent performance (no improvement nor decline) from all parties can we internally replace Bennett's depth performance value (I think Zucker replaces and adds to Frolik's performance value)?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Given what he's actually fetched in trades this appears to be Fenton trying to fix all his mistakes in a single go.

I don't see anything so special about Zucker to give Frolik and Bennett. But I suppose if someone thinks Bennett's value is a single second round pick, than it's less than Frolik+1st which is what the Flames had reportedly offered at the deadline.

Personally I'd rather use the better assets like first round picks to try and get more impactful players than Zucker at this point in time, or guys who play positions that the Flames need help at like C or natural RW.

Frolik was more of a cap dump going the other way to make the trade work at the deadline and going forward.