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The Boy Wonder · 08-02-2018, 10:13 AM

I honestly don't feel too bad for the guy. He gets his full contract paid out now, gets to invest those future years money a few years earlier than expected and regardless, this was likely his last NHL contract if he plays it out while this way he gets a chance to get a veteran minimum contract elsewhere.

Hopefully Gully makes a case for him to go up north, would love to play Brouwer 4 games a year

Enoch Root · 08-02-2018, 10:13 AM

I think it's the right move.

It gives them more flexibility throughout the season.

As far as the $1.5M cap hit 4 years from now goes?... Well, if the Flames are still rocking a solid and deep lineup, and all the players are working out and earning big contracts, then great! as far as I am concerned.

JT45 · 08-02-2018, 10:13 AM

I'm a little surprised nobody would take him in trade for 'future considerations' if we retained 50%.

bubbsy · 08-02-2018, 10:13 AM

Woot woot.

This has been a fantastic summer for flames fans.

Locke · 08-02-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JT45

I'm a little surprised nobody would take him in trade for 'future considerations' if we retained 50%.

I'm not.

Lord Carnage · 08-02-2018, 10:15 AM

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I had high hopes for T-Bro when he signed. He started out pretty good. Looked like a fair contract for the first couple months, as he was on pace for his career norms. Then he got hurt and never seemed to recover. I don't know if it was because the injury still lingered around or what, but he was never the same after.

But I think a lot of the 'hate' he gets was to do with Gulutzan's deployment. He had no business playing PP or top line duties. Fans started to turn on him when they saw he wasn't producing in those roles, even though it was the coach's fault for putting him there in the first place. But he also never played the rough style he was brought in to play, so it was easy to make him a scapegoat.

Overall a bad contract, one I hope BT learns from going forward. He seems like a good man and the players like him. But this is the best move for the team going forward.

Really, I think Tkachuk is who hurt Brouwer...

I'm sure he was brought in to fill a role, but then Tkachuk made the team "unexpectedly" out of camp his first year, and suddenly the spot the team envisioned for Brouwer wasn't there any longer.

Poe969 · 08-02-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JT45

I'm a little surprised nobody would take him in trade for 'future considerations' if we retained 50%.

Teams dont want to help the Flames out. They can sign him as a ufa and the Flames would still carry the cap hit

Scroopy Noopers · 08-02-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Really, I think Tkachuk is who hurt Brouwer...

I'm sure he was brought in to fill a role, but then Tkachuk made the team "unexpectedly" out of camp his first year, and suddenly the spot the team envisioned for Brouwer wasn't there any longer.

So you roll over and let a 19 year old take your spot? Even more reason to cut ties.

Macindoc · 08-02-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think it's the right move.

It gives them more flexibility throughout the season.

As far as the $1.5M cap hit 4 years from now goes?... Well, if the Flames are still rocking a solid and deep lineup, and all the players are working out and earning big contracts, then great! as far as I am concerned.

The extra 2 years of dead cap space may be OK if at least one of the young goaltender prospects looks ready to go soon, otherwise we'll have to overpay for someone and once again be pretty tight against the cap every year until this buyout comes off the books. Trading Stone would also help quite a bit.

jg13 · 08-02-2018, 10:17 AM

Nobody is happier than Sam Bennett

Otto-matic · 08-02-2018, 10:17 AM

I wonder if this means Backs will be a full time A now.

Finger Cookin · 08-02-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

I honestly don't feel too bad for the guy. He gets his full contract paid out now

The whole point is that the full contract is not paid out.

This was the right move to make, and is a big pill to swallow for ownership. I'm impressed that the organization is willing to bite the bullet on this contract. I hope we don't have to buy anyone else out for some time.

GoJetsGo · 08-02-2018, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Really, I think Tkachuk is who hurt Brouwer...

I really don't think Tkachuk turned him into an uninspired possession-black-hole on the 4th line.

JurassicTunga12 · 08-02-2018, 10:18 AM

Great! He just wasn't a fit, and hasn't performed up to contract.
but hopefully Brouwer finds another team, great guy.

TurdFerguson · 08-02-2018, 10:18 AM

Lord Carnage · 08-02-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

So you roll over and let a 19 year old take your spot? Even more reason to cut ties.

The spot didn't become Tkachuk's because Brouwer rolled over, rather that Matthew took it.

That spot in the top 6 for Brouwer became a spot in the bottom 6, and worse linemates, etc, continued the downward spiral.

The injury he never quite recovered his form from didn't help either obviously.

Lord Carnage · 08-02-2018, 10:20 AM

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I really don't think Tkachuk turned him into an uninspired possession-black-hole on the 4th line.

No, but I'm also not a "possession" guy. To me they affect what I see, but I'm still an eye-test guy, so possession numbers don't make/break my thoughts in any way.

Edit: Note, I'm not arguing against the move... suppose I just see the effect of circumstance.

Macindoc · 08-02-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

The whole point is that the full contract is not paid out.

This was the right move to make, and is a big pill to swallow for ownership. I'm impressed that the organization is willing to bite the bullet on this contract. I hope we don't have to buy anyone else out for some time.

I thought the whole contract was paid out, but the cap hit was 2/3 of the remaining value of the contract.

The Boy Wonder · 08-02-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Macindoc

The extra 2 years of dead cap space may be OK if at least one of the young goaltender prospects works out in the next 2 years, otherwise we'll be pretty tight against the cap every year until this buyout comes off the books. Trading Stone would also help quite a bit.

that 1.5mil is a smaller % of the cap each year that it goes up and in years 3 and 4 shouldnt be a big deal.

Trading Frolik would be my preference as I really don't think the flames are comfortable getting rid of stone in case of injuries along the blueline. Yes he's expensive for what he is but he fits a purpose. As much as I like Valimaki and Andersson, I wouldn't want to have them guarenteed a spot for an extended period completely untested. Having a vet to push them day to day for their spot or vice versa will keep them all hungry and motivated.

Bingo · 08-02-2018, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think it's the right move.

It gives them more flexibility throughout the season.

As far as the $1.5M cap hit 4 years from now goes?... Well, if the Flames are still rocking a solid and deep lineup, and all the players are working out and earning big contracts, then great! as far as I am concerned.

Plus that $1.5M of "cost" may be offset by Hanifin savings if they sign him long term and he breaks out in the next three years