I suppose circumcision is a fair play if you feel the risks and complications of anesthesia/post-op course of the surgery are manageable whereas the issues with having a foreskin are not. Any procedure in babies would be higher risk for a number of reasons. I'd be curious to see a legit comparative study of intra/post op complications on a cutjob vs long term risk of issues with not being cut. (and by legit, I don't mean any of that subjective "pleasure" rating garbage).
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I don't care what other guys have, cuz you know...I dont care about other dude's penises. And I dont care what anyone else chooses for their kids...cuz I don't care about your kids penises. But given how I feel about the issue - as outlined below - I wouldn't think twice about circumcising my own kids. It's 100% happening.
I for one am super happy I was circumcised as a child. Here's the reasons why:
1) I have no memory of the pain of being circumcised
2) I never faced the risk of having to get circumcised as a teenager or adult for medical reasons (when I would remember the pain) because guess what? I'm was already circumcised!
3) As someone who watched a lot of porn as a teenager (like a lot of teenagers), I felt normal. As someone who had self-confidence issues (and confidence with girls issues) as a teenager (like lots of teenagers) the thought of having an uncircumcised penis being another factor working against me never crossed my mind. And I already hated a whole lot about my body growing up and I know I wouldnt have liked my uncircumcised penis.
4) I don't have to think about how to clean my foreskin and didn't have to worry about infections.
5) I prefer the look. Does anyone actually prefer the look of an uncircumcised penis? I figure you either don't care, or prefer a circumcised one. Given that, the way i see it, its basic risk management to get circumcised as a child. The upside is that you like the look. The downside is that you couldn't care less one way or another.
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^ Sure, you can rationalize your normal. You are not alone
Except not really. I'm somewhat superficial...it's why I wanted braces as a child. Why I go to the gym three times per week. And why I get hair cuts every 3 weeks. And why I get some of my body hair removed.
Why do you get your kid braces? Super high rate in North America and super low everywhere else.
A) bad for you child from a dental health perspective
B) is purely for cosmetic purposes
C) crazy expensive
Let's face it...you do it so your child is more attractive and has more self confidence when trying to find a life partner, get a job etc.
Why do females get some or all of their hair removed from their vaginas? It's cuz it's sexually preferable to a lot of their partners and it makes them more confidence and less self conscious sexually.
Uncut: In an uncut penis, the foreskin drapes over the head (glans) of the penis like a hood when you’re not erect. The penis head largely isn’t visible. When you’re erect, the foreskin retracts and exposes the glans. The foreskin usually looks bunched up.
Not much difference in appearance (though with some men the foreskin does not retract when erect).
Except not really. I'm somewhat superficial...it's why I wanted braces as a child. Why I go to the gym three times per week. And why I get hair cuts every 3 weeks. And why I get some of my body hair removed.
Why do you get your kid braces? Super high rate in North America and super low everywhere else.
A) bad for you child from a dental health perspective
B) is purely for cosmetic purposes
C) crazy expensive
Let's face it...you do it so your child is more attractive and has more self confidence when trying to find a life partner, get a job etc.
Why do females get some or all of their hair removed from their vaginas? It's cuz it's sexually preferable to a lot of their partners and it makes them more confidence and less self conscious sexually.
Braces are actually good for dental health, straight even teeth are easier to clean. The child's teeth are not permanently removed.
Circumcising your kid to give him more confidence is ridiculous. Worrying about him not having a life partner because of the way his dick looks should be the last thing on your mind. Women who perform hair removal on their vaginas is a choice they make as an adult.
And to your previous post, yes there is a lot of women out there who prefer the look and feel of an intact man
This thread:
Uncut men : worst thing in the world to circumcise, if you do it your evil, uncut is better my penis is better because of google webpages
Cut men : meh, google webpages say the opposite but whatever it’s the internet do what you want with your penis
Uncut men: more google webpages and my penis is still better.
This thread:
Uncut men : worst thing in the world to circumcise, if you do it your evil, uncut is better my penis is better because of google webpages
Cut men : meh, google webpages say the opposite but whatever it’s the internet do what you want with your penis
Uncut men: more google webpages and my penis is still better.
Rinse and repeat.
More like,
Uncut men: Leave babies dicks alone, there's nothing wrong with them.
Cut men: My dick looks better, and my wife wants my sons dick to look just like mine.
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Uncut men: Leave babies dicks alone, there's nothing wrong with them.
Cut men: My dick looks better, and my wife wants my sons dick to look just like mine.
Nah, it’s more like
Uncut men: you’re all evil and barbaric and I have really strong feelings on this particular topic for some strange reason
Cut men: yo chill it’s really not that big a deal and no we’re not evil or barbaric
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As an unsnipped individual, would I have held it againt my parents had they decided to get me snipped at birth? Of course not, and even if its for aethetic reasons, so what?
I was born with six fingers, and my parents had one removed when i was a baby. Not gonna lie, as a self concious kid growing up who was shy and afraid of being bullied, I'm thankful they did. I dont remember anythimg from it, and i dont have to be self concious of it growing up. Was it for pure aetheitic reasons? I'm guessing so.
So I guess what am saying is, if you are against circumsizing your kids, all the power to you. But quit trying to parent other people's kids for the sake of making you feel better about your own choices.
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Uncut men: Leave babies dicks alone, there's nothing wrong with them.
Cut men: My dick looks better, and my wife wants my sons dick to look just like mine.
Thank you for proving my point.
I could care less what you or others do. However sure as hell I am not going to push my agenda on others so I can feel better about my current situation.
We get It
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I don't really care if people want to do this, but I don't see how anyone can fail to admit, if they take a step back and put aside culture and personal family traditions etc., circumcision is a pretty weird thing to do. Really, people can't admit that? Cutting off a bit of a baby's penis doesn't seem like some weird stuff to do when there's no medical need?
I know people do lots of weird ####, so it's not even weird to do weird ####, but how is this not weird ####? If my family inserted big disks into their lower lips that stretched them out, or wore a tonne of rings around their necks that stretched them out, or wore magic underpants or whatever, I believe it would be fair to step back and say ”that's some weird #### us people do, huh?”
If people can't step back and say ”This is some weird #### us people do” about unnecessarily cutting off the tip of a baby's weiner, I think those people are a bit deluded and lacking perspective. If people can admit that and are just like ”I know it's weird to unnecessarily cut of the tip of my baby's penis, and I know it's gonna needlessly hurt them in the moment, but I wanna do it anyways, cause of reasons” then whatever. I respect your culture.
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1) I have no memory of the pain of being circumcised
Intact men have no memory of the pain of being circumcised, and also never had the pain of being circumcised, period.
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2) I never faced the risk of having to get circumcised as a teenager or adult for medical reasons (when I would remember the pain) because guess what? I'm was already circumcised!
And? You're still at risk for kidney disease, pneumonia, kyphosis, adult onset diabetes, testicular cancer, prostate cancer, tonsillitis, breast cancer, sports injuries, depression, glaucoma, etc, etc, etc. The list of painful surgeries and diseases is endless because being alive is inherently risky. You have the right to your perspective, but you do not know if the next generation will share that perspective with you on a risk that is virtually insignificant.
Honestly when I read your argument, this is my takeaway:
"If cutting off part of my dick had kept me from having to deal with chicken pox as a kid, I totally would... even if there was a chance I'd never get chicken pox... ever".
It's just... lacking perspective to me.
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3) As someone who watched a lot of porn as a teenager (like a lot of teenagers), I felt normal.
In what world is anything in porn a reference for normality? There is so much wrong with this statement I'm just baffled.
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As someone who had self-confidence issues (and confidence with girls issues) as a teenager (like lots of teenagers) the thought of having an uncircumcised penis being another factor working against me never crossed my mind. And I already hated a whole lot about my body growing up and I know I wouldnt have liked my uncircumcised penis.
This is a "you" issue you have hypothetically manufactured, which you are projecting onto a child. At the end of the day an intact penis can have a circumcision performed on it if there is a personal choice on the matter. A mutilated penis cannot be unmutilated.
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4) I don't have to think about how to clean my foreskin and didn't have to worry about infections.
This is akin to saying you wish you had your fingers removed so you didn't have to think about cleaning them. You seem to be confusing common sense with some tedious task.
And really, you never had to worry about infections? That's rich. Either you never got laid or you always used a rubber or... you had to worry about infections. Three things that apply to every dude.
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5) I prefer the look.
Well, for starters this is cringey, but anyways:
Your son may not. Just as your son may not enjoy the same hobbies as you and your son may challenge you on sociopolitical issues. The difference is, only one of these things requires permanent mutilation of the genitals of an infant.
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Does anyone actually prefer the look of an uncircumcised penis? I figure you either don't care, or prefer a circumcised one. Given that, the way i see it, its basic risk management to get circumcised as a child. The upside is that you like the look. The downside is that you couldn't care less one way or another.
Again, you are projecting your personal preference to a future generation to justify robbing them of a personal choice. No, the downside is that your child is cognizant of the mutilation that's been applied to their dick and resentful of it. It is not unprecedented.
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Except not really. I'm somewhat superficial...it's why I wanted braces as a child. Why I go to the gym three times per week. And why I get hair cuts every 3 weeks. And why I get some of my body hair removed.
Why do you get your kid braces? Super high rate in North America and super low everywhere else.
A) bad for you child from a dental health perspective
B) is purely for cosmetic purposes
C) crazy expensive
Let's face it...you do it so your child is more attractive and has more self confidence when trying to find a life partner, get a job etc.
What part of the human body do braces permanently remove? Are braces applied to neonates or to adolescents who can indicate pain and be medicated for it? And while we're on that topic, are you suggesting that kids are not teased or worse for having braces in high school?
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Why do females get some or all of their hair removed from their vaginas?
Post adolecscent females or month-old females? I'm not aware of any 3 week old taking a can of VEET to her vagina. And yes I'd object to any parent doing so.
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It's cuz it's sexually preferable to a lot of their partners
How can you claim know what's actually "sexually preferable" to a partner? Every individual has preferences and there is no such thing as all-encompassing preference.What if your son's partner is a gorgeous European girl who is weirded the **** out by the circumcision? An adult can choose to be circumcised if their partner demands it (although that's a whole nother rabbit hole on healthy relationships). An adult cannot choose to undo a circumcision done to them as an infant. It is the removal of part of their penis. It's not a slight adjustment splint to make it tilt a different way (which btw, would be the parallel to your braces analogy - and pretty damn creepy for parents to do to their child in its own right because there is a difference between teeth and a penis).
While I really don't want to get into the whole sexual pleasure/sensitivity argument as my objection is to a child being mutilated rather than the choice of an adult to self-mutilate, I will leave you with a youtube video that argues intact men experience sexual pleasure in a different way, which is allegedly more pro-partner-pleasure:
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and it makes them more confidence and less self conscious sexually.
Fewer than a third of Canadian newborn males' genitals were "circumcised" as of 2011, so I guess I fail to see how this is meaningfully valid. If anything, you're potentially (permanently) putting your child in a position of being a minority in this regard - the opposite of "less self-conscious".
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Soo...braces increase risk of receding gums which increases likelihood of you needing dentures later in life. Go outside north america and you'll find developed places where very few people have ever had braces. In fact, in Japan, crooked teeth are often preferred (on women especially). Its an entirely cosmetic procedure.
Once you accepted that humans do a lot of things for aesthetics, I'm not sure why the rationale of male circumcision is much more difficult to understand. Outside of religious reasons, the primary reason for circumcision is cosmetic.
The best argument against male circumcision is that its pointless. But so are braces. So is hair removal. So are hair stylings. So are piercings. So is make up. So is having a tight ass, big arms, or a six-pack. But we're human and we all would rather look more attractive than less attractive. And culturally, we've decided whats attractive and what isn't.
And if I believe - "subjectively" - that one looks better than the other and the act won't adversely impact the long-term health or well-being of my child, I'd be crazy not to do it. If you think it either makes no difference to attractiveness and both are equally attractive, you'd be crazy to do it.
I was born with six fingers, and my parents had one removed when i was a baby. Not gonna lie, as a self concious kid growing up who was shy and afraid of being bullied, I'm thankful they did. I dont remember anythimg from it, and i dont have to be self concious of it growing up. Was it for pure aetheitic reasons? I'm guessing so.
They gave you the gift of a middle finger.
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