One of the reasons those scenes are so memorable IMO is the characters mean so much to us, especially for those who grew up loving the original series. There is a lot of history and nostalgia there for some of us.
Because there's a lot of talk about other Star Trek in here? The seems like an unusual hostile response
sorry, I like Discovery and got annoyed for a moment. there'll be lots of good general Star Trek discussion here in the offseason, but once season 2 kicks in, you're going to probably need a solution for not wanting to read about it.
I agree, Nemesis is a disaster on every level. The TNG crew deserved so much better. I was hoping they were gonna do at least one more movie with that cast just so they could do it the right way and go out on a high note.
Perhaps the new Picard series will help right some of those wrongs.
Like a 'Star Trek' version of Logan!
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I agree, Nemesis is a disaster on every level. The TNG crew deserved so much better. I was hoping they were gonna do at least one more movie with that cast just so they could do it the right way and go out on a high note.
Perhaps the new Picard series will help right some of those wrongs.
The last two TNG movies probably jaded everyone not named Stewart or Spiner. Frankly even in Generations the cast were made out to be either background furniture or outright boobs.
I can just imagine the script reading for Nemesis
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Baird - "Ok, here we go, this is where once again Picard and Data are front and center to save the day, they'll get dune buggy scenes, oh and fly a fighter through the enemy ship while trading action movie quips."
Sirtis - "What do I get to do in this movie, I mean I'm excited about being back"
Baird - "Great, we've given you a meaty role, you'll get to marry Riker, and we'll make jokes about a naked wedding and the fans will love it, oh and you'll get mind raped"
Sirtis - "Why"
Baird - "Because it will be awesome and make the villain look completely insane, but don't worry Sirtis, because nothing will really come of it"
Gates - "What about me?"
Baird - "Why are you talking here, who the hell are you? You'd do some useless medical mumbo jumbo and then sit there and look prettty. Nobody likes you, and Gingers have no soul"
Burton - "What about me? I was in roots you know"
Baird - "Well someone has to shout out that the shields are going down and the transporters off line"
Burton - "So I do something techno babbly to fix them"
Baird - "Nope"
Dorn - "What do I do master?"
Baird - "Well we'll make you drunk in the first scene and put in a line about Romulan Ale, the fans will love it. Then after that you'll be like Picard's back pack guy, maybe we'll put in some lines about honor if I'm not too bent after snorting half the budget for special effects on cocaine.
Dorn - "Well at least I'm not complaining about pimples this time, I like it"
Frakes - "I'm the XO, what's my subplot"
Baird - "Man, you are just so fat . . . so fat, oh and good news, we're bringing back Wesley Crusher."
Frakes - "Wasn't he off wandering with an interdimensional being?"
Baird - "You know I wrote part of Gladiater right fatty? Can we get him a corset of something, now Spiner, after you do an awesome singing scene your going to be awesome, you too Patrick, and Data your going to have a awesome but somewhat useless sacrifice scene, and we're going to mind F the fans that your dead, and then bring you back to life, and you'll love this, you get to play two data's so double the screen time"
Tom Hardy - "I'm so glad to be onboard the Star Trek franchise, I'm just pumped."
Baird - "You're going to be a picard clone but with really bad lines, nonsensical actions, and a death scene that we ripped off from the lord of the rings. I swear to you that we're not trying to ruin your career, but you'll come out stronger"
Years later
Executive - "All right phone the rest of the crew, Spiner and Stewart are in, we need the family"
Executive lacky - "Yeah they all told me to go F a hat"
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I actually didn't mind Insurrection. It wasn't a masterpiece or anything, but I enjoyed it for the most part, and it was nowhere near as bad as Nemesis.
First Contact is easily the best of the TNG films, right up there with II, IV, and VI as one of the better entries in the entire series. Not surprisingly it's also a critical favorite (93% on RT).
Generations had some good moments, but was really uneven. The way they tried to shoehorn Kirk into the story just didn't feel natural to me. I get that they wanted to "pass the torch" and all that, but it really didn't work the way they had hoped. Stewart's performance was excellent though, and I thought Malcolm McDowell made a great villain. Shatner looked like he didn't even want to be there.
I actually didn't mind Insurrection. It wasn't a masterpiece or anything, but I enjoyed it for the most part, and it was nowhere near as bad as Nemesis.
First Contact is easily the best of the TNG films, right up there with II, IV, and VI as one of the better entries in the entire series. Not surprisingly it's also a critical favorite (93% on RT).
Generations had some good moments, but was really uneven. The way they tried to shoehorn Kirk into the story just didn't feel natural to me. I get that they wanted to "pass the torch" and all that, but it really didn't work the way they had hoped. Stewart's performance was excellent though, and I thought Malcolm McDowell made a great villain. Shatner looked like he didn't even want to be there.
Insurrection was basically just a really long TNG episode. Nothing wrong with that generally speaking.
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Insurrection was basically just a really long TNG episode. Nothing wrong with that generally speaking.
that movie had a budget of $70 million! in late 1990's dollars! where the hell did all that cash go into, when all the sets, costumes and CGI look so damn cheap that they're on par with the TV show 10 years earlier. especially when its predecessor First Contact was really good looking when it came out and even mostly holds up to viewings today.
that movie had a budget of $70 million! in late 1990's dollars! where the hell did all that cash go into, when all the sets, costumes and CGI look so damn cheap that they're on par with the TV show 10 years earlier. especially when its predecessor First Contact was really good looking when it came out and even mostly holds up to viewings today.
Perhaps Star Trek has been a studio-conjured embezzlement scheme all these years?
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According to Memory Alpha it was a new kind of CGI used in the movie, which presumably increased costs. But boy does it ever look terrible. The drones especially on the planet's surface looked incredibly fake.
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A friend of mine who loves all things Trek things Insurrection was a great movie. In fact he likes all the ST movies. I think the NG movies we're all terrible; but Insurrection was a particularly revolting ...#### movie. It had a terrible story, bad effects, bad acting, and plot holes you could put a star ship through. I could at least watch a movie like First Contact and not get bored to tears or annoyed to the point of scratching my eyes out. But that hot mess is irredeemable.
The Borg are coming to Discovery, which makes it sound like the show creators are panicking about how badly this show is being viewed, so they're throwing everything Pike Spock, enterprise, new Klingons at a board and hoping something gives them another year.
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it's made by fans, which is great because that means it's probably more accurate than anything Paramount themselves could come up with (also glad the studio has decided not to mash their litigation button for now). I watched a couple of walk-throughs and it's really comprehensive both inside and outside the ship.
aside from the usual suspects (bridge, battle bridge, ten forward, engineering, senior officer quarters), they even did the main hangar at the back of the saucer, which was never actually seen on the show due to budget constraints. you can even take a Danube class runabout for a spin. it's not really a game, but you can warp to a few popular destinations, and perhaps even encounter a hostile species or two.
I know CC hates Galaxy class because it's a love boat in space, but it's the one I grew up with and goddamn if it doesn't give me the feels seeing her hallways again with that unmistakable engine murmur in the background.
You know, I'm just a bit of a stickler on ship designs and they have to make some sense. I get that the Enterprise D is the flag ship, but the thing looks like a flying hotel lobby the other thing that drove me nutso is the crew quarters, everyone all had their own quarters and they were all these super luxurious quarters with seperate bathrooms. The ship had a crew of over 1000.
I really disliked the 3 chair configuration of the bridge. I mean frankly having a separate chair for the XO made little sense to me because usually the command structure is such that when the Captain is off the bridge the XO or Officer of the Deck has the bridge, during a battle where the Captain and the XO are on the bridge working together the XO is usually responsible for monitoring the command crew and relaying information to the Captain, he can't do that when he's sitting on his butt. And why does the Counselor need a chair? I mean I doubt that all the fleets counselors can read emotions, and by the way how fricken creepy is that.
I also really didn't like the external design of the ship, it just looked really goofy to me, the later enterprise looked great though.
You know what enterprise design I liked.
The 1701-A from TWOK, The bridge was smaller, but looked functional, the stations behind the Captains chairs looked like actual workstations like out of a submarine.
I loved the 1701-A from TMP not because of the design, but because the director really got something that nobody else got, you could hear the background chatter. Crewmen repeating commands or requesting reports, there was a buzz on the bridge that no other show had.
I loved one thing about the 1701-NX in that they had at first at the back almost like a command station like a Combat information center, I thought that was an amazing touch and again gave the ship a really good submarine feel. I also liked the NX-01 because everything looked functional and cramped and necessary.
The worst bridge in Science fiction is a star Destroyer in Star Wars. I mean the concept was a really good idea where the commanding officer could lord over his crew which were stuck in those pits along the walkway, but command and supervision would have been next to impossible.
I loved the bridge on the original battlestar galactica, and really liked the bridge on the revised battlestar galactica with the huge map table and status monitors. That looked like a war ship.
Anyways pretty cool app. I want to orbit earth and fire a torpedo at Edmonton.
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the way I've read it is that the Enterprise D is a product of decades of relative peace and security, and its luxuriousness was as much to impress diplomatically as it was for crew comfort. that mindset is seen all the way through to her captain, who is basically a walking United Nations. it had gotten to the point of hubris where Picard said to Q he felt they were sufficiently prepared for anything, until Q snapped his fingers and gave them a little taste of Borg all up in their nacelles.
it took the Borg and Dominion threats to finally turn Starfleet around and produce warships again. the Defiant, Sovereign, Akira, Prometheus, etc. went back to the dark badass aesthetic. that's fine, as long as any one of them's got a holodeck, that's where I'd be spending 99% of my time anyways...for science...
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Its funny because the Federation had two major conflicts between the end of TOS stuff including movies and TNG
There were conflicts with the Klingons and Romulans. Then a 30 year war with the Cardassians, there were a couple of wars with minor races that lasted for years, There was also the Tholian conflict.
The Federation was never really at peace leading up to TNG.
They went from major decades long conflicts and cold wars with all of the major powers, you could argue that their true periods of peace were very few and far between and that whenever Picard said war was something that humanity had overcome that his senility was kicking in.
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