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It still makes me kind of laugh that the villain in that first Rebels book was a mid level safety inspector gone rogue. It was soo bad.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:35 AM   #122
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The new EU books are awful. I understand why they made everything after episode VI non-canon but they really should have kept the old EU books as canon for everything VI and before. The Darth Plagueis book was my favourite. A few of the Vader ones were really good as well.
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The Maarek Stele Chronicles, or the backstory for TIE Fighter, would make for a great TV series. no Skywalkers, no lightsabers, no confusing jedi/sith philosophy...it's Top Gun from the Imperial side, with political intrigue at all levels.

if they really want to run with this whole "both sides, many sides" theme from TLJ, this might be a good way to do it. stupid Rebels, always trying to incite chaos and disrupting an otherwise smooth galactic order. it's up to Stele and his squadron of elite pilots to ensure the peace is maintained.
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Remember that Stele was also a Emperor's hand and was investigating corruption and conspiracies in the Empire, that's what made the game cool. You saw the trechery of the Empire itself.


I still remember the coolest thing in that game was when you got into a Tie Defender and just shredded everyone and you had Vader talking in your ear as he was your flight leader.


I agree, a tv series from inside of the Empire would be cool. I would love to see a Imperial Intelligence Agent type of series, I mean not every Imperial was a planet blowing up thug.


Another thing I would love to see is the transition of the Clones to Storm troopers. If Karen Traviss (sp?) didn't focus so much on her master$$$$$$ fantasies about Mandalorians and Boba Fett, she was really onto a great story concept with her Clone trooper stories.


And of course a comedy about mismatched room mates called the Vader and Sheev show, where Palpatine keeps calling Vader Ani and then laughs in his face.


Palpatine - "Hey Ani? What do you call a armless legless jedi?"
Vader - "What my master"
Palpatine - "You you big dummy"
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Palaptine - "Ani, that's a girls name"
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Old 08-16-2018, 12:53 PM   #125
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Just because I love the Palpatine character so much and Ian McDarmid as an actor playing the role.


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Tie Fighter rocked. Never played a game that so smoothly ramped up the scope and difficulty. Mission 4 you get in a dogfight with two x-wings. Mission 24 you're commanding three squadrons to escort two cruisers against six squadrons of enemies while trying to carry out a secret objective of blowing up one of the cruisers then protecting an escape shuttle launched from the other cruiser through the maelstrom of battle.
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Tie Fighter rocked. Never played a game that so smoothly ramped up the scope and difficulty. Mission 4 you get in a dogfight with two x-wings. Mission 24 you're commanding three squadrons to escort two cruisers against six squadrons of enemies while trying to carry out a secret objective of blowing up one of the cruisers then protecting an escape shuttle launched from the other cruiser through the maelstrom of battle.

I was always good at strike missions, and even inspection missions, but give me an escort mission or a capture mission and I really don't have the temperament for it.


So for example


Ok go and inspect a shuttle find the one occupied by rebels and disable it and then stop the rebels from destroying it.


So I do the power adjustment, lets see full power to the engines, here we go, ok inspect some shuttles fine


"Pilot there's a shuttle fleeing that way"


Awesome that's the one turn my fighter and bolt after him, look some x-wings, I must destroy them even through they're not relevant. Crap he's further away must hurry. Barrel on. Ok he's in range I must disable him, switch guns swith power settings, opps forgot to change to ion cannons sorry dude. Ok he's disabled. Here come some enemy fighters "I Keel You" your shuttle is under attack, crap but this guy is almost dead I must make his wife a widow and his children orphans because I am the empire. Crap the shuttle just blew up and a bunch of rebels are laughing at me. I wonder if Vader is going to be mad at me, he seems cool plus I have this rocking tattoo.


I loved flying the basic tie fighter in that game because its so iconic and you have to be on your game because one shot kills you. I didn't like the gun boat because it was so over powered.


Oh and cool article in the Atlantic looking at Admiral Piett


https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...-piett/420570/


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It’s fun to imagine a strange Rosencrantz and Guildenstern-like saga playing out in the background as Piett manages the vast civil service of a galactic dictatorship while fielding orders from Vader and his Emperor. Colley, who’s otherwise most famous for playing Jesus in Monty Python’s Life of Brian, is a model of order throughout the series. When Ozzel dies next to him, he motions with his head for some officers to remove the body. When Vader hires bounty hunters to try and track down Skywalker, Piett quietly registers his distaste. And when commanding the fleet against the Rebels in Return of the Jedi’s climactic battle, he’s stoic to the end, perishing when a starfighter crashes into his ship’s bridge.
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Always found the trick to the escort missions was just to memorize where the attacks would come from and hit them first. I remember a few missing with waves of attackers that you could deal with by disabling a ship instead of killing all of them.

Man I miss those games. Don't know why we don't have a modern version. In 3d it could be pretty amazing.
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There needs to be more game where you play for the bad guy, though in tie fighter you were the good guy, Palpatine was a hero to the Galaxy and all rebels were scumbag anarchists trying to bring chaos to a galaxy at peace.


I really love Republic Commando, you knew you were eventually going to be the bad guy, but you had a war to win. Its too bad that the Imperial Commando game was cancelled, it was supposed to start with the issuing of Order 66.
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BTW I'm reading through the Thrawn book that was just released, and I think its the last EU book that I'm going to just go out and buy and read.


The new EU is just filled with books that are poorly written and just are actually really boring and 2 dimensional.


When you look at the legends EU, there were a lot of bad books, but they weren't consistently releasing bad book after bad book. With the new EU from Aftermath right through to the books or Tarkin, Rebels and now the Thrawn series, they're just not great.


I kind of liked the first of the new Thrawn books, but it made him too sympathetic. He had morals and they didn’t really jive with the Thrawn I remembered from Zahn’s first books. Filoni did a decent job of showing the ruthless tactician, but Zahn has completely failed to come close to his original villain.

I’m reading the new Thrawn book and it’s ####ing garbage. Like, I’m almost not going to finish it. Have you noticed how many people “growled” a sentence? And why does everything have to go back to Anakin?

Ugh. Establishing that tie to the old part of cannon makes the story terrible.
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Oh, and I’m also reading the first Thrawn trilogy from Legends. The first book has too many throwbacks to the movies, I guess at the time because there hadn’t been anything really Star Wars related in a decade, but Dark Force Rising is pretty darn good. I haven’t re-read Last Command, but it’s up next.
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I used to really enjoy reading the now legends EU books. For every complete piece of trash, gold colored meat Young Jedi Knights crap, there were a lot of really good books.


I mean if you read the Bane Trilogy, and Darth Plagueis and Dark Lord and the Thrawn Trilogy you just had a sense that the writers understood Star Wars and invested in the Characters.


With the new EU the characters seem out of place and the writing quality is poor. With the latest Thrawn book, they made Vader out to be a cardboard cutout villain who's every second thought was "Man I could snap Thrawn's neck like a twig" while Thrawn sat there lecturing the right hand of the Emperor. Every second word out of Thrawn's mouth was "a moment" as he slowly collected his thoughts because . . . he . . . .was . . . . so . . . . deliberate.


The Anakin Padme Thrawn stuff was just really boring and the link to Palpatine's order 66 was kind of silly.


I liked the original Thrawn Trilogy except I found Jorus sorry Joruus Cboath to be a really stupid character. I liked Thrawn's character but for a military genius he lost every major battle in the book.


I mean even Timothy Zahn felt like he was mailing this book in and they're really missing the amazing writing of Drew Karpyshyn, James Luceno (If you haven't read Dark Lord, Plageius, and Labyrinth of Evil, you're missing out). I mean the one novel from the new EU that I was looking for was Dark Lords which was a Vader and Palpatine book but it just came across as a buddy cop novel. I mean they were evil, but still.


Even when you read the Thrawn novel here he acts so far out of character from the Thrawn from Rebels that all you can do is shake your head. The Thrawn in Rebels differed from the original Thrawn in that new Thrawn is completely calculating and ruthless and doesn't care about killing millions to reach his goals, whereas you never got that feel from Legends EU in that Thrawn was somewhat noble and principled.
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Decent column from Cracked.com on why we should be worried about episode IX


http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reason...rs-episode-ix/
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I'm anxious to see how they try to get the story back on track for Ep 9. as fascinating as this past year's Star Wars slide has been to witness, that makes a possible redemption arc for the franchise the ultimate achievement.

but calling on the writer for two of the biggest recent DC turds? did JJ decide having both hands tied behind his back wasn't challenging enough, so now he wants to try it wearing a straitjacket and blindfold? to quote Leia...you're braver than I thought.
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I'm anxious to see how they try to get the story back on track for Ep 9. as fascinating as this past year's Star Wars slide has been to witness, that makes a possible redemption arc for the franchise the ultimate achievement.

but calling on the writer for two of the biggest recent DC turds? did JJ decide having both hands tied behind his back wasn't challenging enough, so now he wants to try it wearing a straitjacket and blindfold? to quote Leia...you're braver than I thought.
It will be interesting. The problem right now is that both the bad guys and good guys were pretty decimated at the end of the last film. The new order is down to a few ships, and there's no longer a darkside master. The rebellion is down to about one ship, and similarly there's no Jedi master.

They could just have a bunch of time passing between films, and have the new order reestablish themselves. That kind of negates everything that happened in the second film though.

The series up to this point has basically been a "fake out", making the audience thing Snoke, Luke, Captain Phasma the First order, etc... would all play much larger parts in the story than they did. The series didn't really establish that many alternative plot lines. So now they'll have to create and resolve new ones in a single film. Basically, a lot of stuff that should have happened in the conclusion was rushed into the second film.
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Its funny because I've been pretty critical of the Disney Star Wars universe.


I liked TFA, and maybe that's because it was supported by some strong OT Star Wars Characters. I really liked Rogue One, I thought it was excellent, again maybe because took place in the OT and really added to that Star Wars Story. After that it went flat, I just didn't like TLJ all that much. I thought the plot line wasn't really very good, and it disconnected jarringly from TFA, and frankly outside of Daisy Ridley who I really like, the other actors seemed flat and to an extent unlikeable, I really thought that Poe was a a$$, and his so called growth from a arrogant fighter pilot to the new leader of the resistance just wasn't that good. I also thought that the villains didn't feel all that daunting.



The other problem for me is that the books that were meant to add to the new universe for the most part have been really poorly written and not that exciting.


For the new movies, some points that have been bought up.


The Leadership of the First Order at the start was Phasma, Hux, Ren and Snoke. They made Snoke look stupid, and Phasma was a waste of film. I liked the potential of Hux in the first movie, he played the scheming space nazi well, but he was a somewhat competent space nazi who was locked in this struggle with Ren for power. In the second movie they just murdered his character he became stupid and incompetent, that prank phone call scene turned him into the on screen equivalent of a prat fall.



I've had this argument with a lot of people over the remaining strength of the First Order. Surely if they're an awesome power they would have more ships waiting in the background and more troops. But the destruction of the Supremacy would really be a crippling blow to the first order because it was their capital, it was also their manufacturing for ships and their training academy for storm troopers. So they might have other ships and armies out there but until they rebuild that ship, they can't replace losses.


Realistically I believe that if they were smart they would start the next movie 5 or 10 years down the road. It just makes sense for some reasons


1) It gives the Resistance at least a chance to rebuild.


2) It gives the First Order a chance to rebuild their strength.


3) If Ren was so fired up to be his Grandpa, instead of chasing Rey, his goal would to be more powerful then Rey, have him go on a quest to find the Sith knowlege so he could become a Sith like Vader or Palpatine. In fact . . . you could have him find Darth Sidious' holocron and have a really cool cameo by the Emperor.


4) Have Rey on a mirror quest for knowledge, you could even have Luke or Kenobi or even Anakin Skywalker show up as her guide.


5) Sadly you could have Leia die which would reduce her role but allow them to do something really powerful for her like a video message to the Resistance before the last battle.


6) In the time elapsed make Hux competant again and a real threat.


7) No more superweapons, I think we've had enough.


8) Instead of Ren hunting down Rey, send the sinister agents the Knights of Ren, use them like the Inquisitors in Rebels.


9) If this movie is about and should be about the end of Force Users in the galaxy since all they do is cause war and strife, then at the end there can be no redemption for Ren and Rey has to self exile.
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Its funny because I've been pretty critical of the Disney Star Wars universe.


I liked TFA, and maybe that's because it was supported by some strong OT Star Wars Characters. I really liked Rogue One, I thought it was excellent, again maybe because took place in the OT and really added to that Star Wars Story. After that it went flat, I just didn't like TLJ all that much. I thought the plot line wasn't really very good, and it disconnected jarringly from TFA, and frankly outside of Daisy Ridley who I really like, the other actors seemed flat and to an extent unlikeable, I really thought that Poe was a a$$, and his so called growth from a arrogant fighter pilot to the new leader of the resistance just wasn't that good. I also thought that the villains didn't feel all that daunting.



The other problem for me is that the books that were meant to add to the new universe for the most part have been really poorly written and not that exciting.


For the new movies, some points that have been bought up.


The Leadership of the First Order at the start was Phasma, Hux, Ren and Snoke. They made Snoke look stupid, and Phasma was a waste of film. I liked the potential of Hux in the first movie, he played the scheming space nazi well, but he was a somewhat competent space nazi who was locked in this struggle with Ren for power. In the second movie they just murdered his character he became stupid and incompetent, that prank phone call scene turned him into the on screen equivalent of a prat fall.



I've had this argument with a lot of people over the remaining strength of the First Order. Surely if they're an awesome power they would have more ships waiting in the background and more troops. But the destruction of the Supremacy would really be a crippling blow to the first order because it was their capital, it was also their manufacturing for ships and their training academy for storm troopers. So they might have other ships and armies out there but until they rebuild that ship, they can't replace losses.


Realistically I believe that if they were smart they would start the next movie 5 or 10 years down the road. It just makes sense for some reasons


1) It gives the Resistance at least a chance to rebuild.


2) It gives the First Order a chance to rebuild their strength.


3) If Ren was so fired up to be his Grandpa, instead of chasing Rey, his goal would to be more powerful then Rey, have him go on a quest to find the Sith knowlege so he could become a Sith like Vader or Palpatine. In fact . . . you could have him find Darth Sidious' holocron and have a really cool cameo by the Emperor.


4) Have Rey on a mirror quest for knowledge, you could even have Luke or Kenobi or even Anakin Skywalker show up as her guide.


5) Sadly you could have Leia die which would reduce her role but allow them to do something really powerful for her like a video message to the Resistance before the last battle.


6) In the time elapsed make Hux competant again and a real threat.


7) No more superweapons, I think we've had enough.


8) Instead of Ren hunting down Rey, send the sinister agents the Knights of Ren, use them like the Inquisitors in Rebels.


9) If this movie is about and should be about the end of Force Users in the galaxy since all they do is cause war and strife, then at the end there can be no redemption for Ren and Rey has to self exile.
As I said before, a lot of the things you'd like to see happen, should have happened in part 2 of a trilogy. It should have been about Rey's quest for knowledge and the First Order establishing themselves as a power. Instead, they're now stuck in a situation where they either have to cram all of that into one movie, with a conclusion or they have to make a lot of it happen off screen, in between movies.

As for no more "force users", they pretty much went the opposite direction with that. That kid moving the broom at the very end of the TLJ suggests that Force users will become much more widespread than ever before. Either that, or that random kid, with no other significant role in the first two films, is going to become the focus of the next generation of elite force users.
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I really thought that Poe was a a$$, and his so called growth from a arrogant fighter pilot to the new leader of the resistance just wasn't that good.
Poe did nothing wrong!
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Well except for a few things.


The charges against him would have been wide ranging



Disrespecting a senior officer
Mutiny
unlawful confinement
Willful disobeying of an order from a superior x 2
Misuse of Resistance assets
Negligence causing death
Conduct unbecoming an officer
Sedition





He should have been hung or shot or flung out of an airlock, and no his actions in the end of the movie don't absolve him of his actions, and they probably should have pinned a medal on him, and then shot him out a torpedo tube.


Oh and some star wars fans did put him on trial and its really well done


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if Poe followed Leia's orders, then the Fulminatrix gets to be part of the slow motion chase and blows the Raddus to dust with its siege cannons.

If Poe followed Purple Hair's orders, there's no guarantee that some of the other officers wouldn't kick off the mutiny. he wasn't the only one that was suspicious of the bizarre lack of apparent plan, which is why he managed to get a bunch of people to...rebel...along with him.
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