Who should Treliving target as a potential replacement for Mike Smith?

[Bonded]

Yeah, it is too bad we missed out on Bishop because King was on a plane

[Jiggy]

Trading at 1st round pick for a goalie is madness. That would be terrible asset management. When was the last time a GM did that?

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Trading at 1st round pick for a goalie is madness. That would be terrible asset management. When was the last time a GM did that?

Cory Schneider?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Cory Schneider?

and Martin Jones..

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

Treliving brought these goalies in but both Smith and Elliott faltered. And I dont think thats squarely on Treliving. If both goalies could have had a GAA and S% somewhat close to their career average numbers these talks wouldn't be happening.

Would be really silly to fire Treliving over this. His positives FAR outweigh the negatives IMO.

But yes, Smith now for a long time just isn't capable of being a starting goalie.

I believe Treliving is exploring options.

That is great and I am not saying he hasn't made positive moves. However, the end result is winning a Stanley Cup. If at the end of the year, the Flames don't make the playoffs... positives outweighing negatives mean nothing because you have to look at the bigger picture and goal.

This is his 5th season as the GM. One fluke season with a playoff series win and then swept by the Ducks. If the Flames miss the playoffs this season, then he needs to go. Especially if the goaltending falters again.

As I said, just my opinion though. Keep in mind, as much as we rip on Chiarelli, his Oilers team has won more playoff games than Treliving's team and Chiarelli started a year later.

[8sPOT]

I get that. But this team, this year, is the best team we've had under Treliving, and thats because he built it.

Guess I still trust Treliving and that he will do what he can to fix this problem.

[bax]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That is great and I am not saying he hasn't made positive moves. However, the end result is winning a Stanley Cup. If at the end of the year, the Flames don't make the playoffs... positives outweighing negatives mean nothing because you have to look at the bigger picture and goal.

This is his 5th season as the GM. One fluke season with a playoff series win and then swept by the Ducks. If the Flames miss the playoffs this season, then he needs to go. Especially if the goaltending falters again.

As I said, just my opinion though. Keep in mind, as much as we rip on Chiarelli, his Oilers team has won more playoff games than Treliving's team and Chiarelli started a year later.

This is a vary short sighted view of the situation isn't it? Chiarelli lucked out falling into the best player in the world and a goalie that played way above his pay grade for a season, not really comparable.

The biggest thing for a GM is job security. Give him some leash to build his team because these things take time. You don't want a GM making moves to try and save his job. You want a GM that is there to make decisions for the long term success of the franchise.

Yes Treliving has failed in bringing in a long term, quality starting goalie, but it's not like he hasn't been trying. He has been in conversations and rumors surrounding Talbot, Jones, Anderson, Murray, Bishop and probably more that we don't even know about.

Smith started out strong and it looked like a good move. Banking on him being at least average this year wasn't a crazy idea.

It would have been hard to acquire a goalie when we were spending picks on Hamilton and Hamonic at the time. You can judge how those moves turned out, but I think the team looks awesome on the ice today.

All in all if Anaheim wouldn't have got that offer from Toronto we are likely sitting here today with Anderson in net and a top 3 team in the league. I know it's early, but as of right now it looks like a goalie is the missing piece to this team- who knows Rittich might even be that guy.

Treliving leaves no stone unturned and I can guarantee he knows we need a goalie just as much as everybody on here. Firing him now would be a massive mistake in my opinion. Like, who do you replace him with?

[GullFoss]

I think Tre's two options are to:

1) trade when a team with a pending ufa goalie falls out of the playoff race. That likely won't be for another 30+ games.

Or

2) trade for another teams back-up goalie sooner than later


Sophie's choice.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by keenan87

and Martin Jones..

and Raanta

[868904]

Originally Posted by Toonage

and Raanta

The Raanta trade also included a Stepan cap dump. I don't think the Flames would have been able to make that deal.

[EM11]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, it is too bad we missed out on Bishop because King was on a plane

I am triggered. WHY did King have veto power over hockey decisions!? Part of our long strange history.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by 868904

The Raanta trade also included a Stepan cap dump. I don't think the Flames would have been able to make that deal.

I don't think Stepan was a cap dump.

Guy points up 50-55 points everyseason and is a top 6 center.

Plus not like it was a cheaper cost for taking on Stepan - they gave up the 7th overall pick and DeAngelo - who himself was a first round pick who played 39 games for Arizona that season.

That trade is tougher to break apart what the cost for Stepan was vs. what the cost for Raanta was.

But from the Flames you were looking at 16 overall (Valimaki) + Andersson/Kylington likely to get even close to what Arizona paid overall.

And Arizona's package is still better

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

I think smith will bounce back. Physically and athletically he’s still got it. It’s his confidence and positioning that need to come back. Maybe the new equipment is affecting him? But I don’t get the drop off in play. I think part of his problem was the team defense, or at least that was making him seem worse than he actually was playing. The team has tightened up defensively, now he needs to find another gear. I don’t think it’s out of the question. Also I don’t have much more confidence in Rittich. I don’t think treliving is going to find a goalie anytime soon that is a bonifide #1.

It needs to be figured out internally. And I think it’s going to happen.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Split98

I think you regain picks in trading guys like Smith (Florida).. .

Why would Florida or anyone give us picks for Smith? He's one of the worst goalies in the league, and isn't even cheap. He's not even an improvement on James Reimer, and Luongo should be back in a couple of weeks.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, it is too bad we missed out on Bishop because King was on a plane

And that may have ended top being a blessing in disguise if that trade had included the #6 pick, which turned into Matthew Tkachuk.

[Strange Brew]

I too am very reluctant to see the team trade it's first round pick. One 3rd round pick over a two year period is going to have long term implications and at some point, you're not going to have anyone playing on an ELC.

I'm not a huge Treliving fan, more middle of the road, but I don't want to hang the guy over this. If I owned the team, I'd want to know what his plan is.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I too am very reluctant to see the team trade it's first round pick. One 3rd round pick over a two year period is going to have long term implications and at some point, you're not going to have anyone playing on an ELC.

I'm not a huge Treliving fan, more middle of the road, but I don't want to hang the guy over this. If I owned the team, I'd want to know what his plan is.

I agree. And if I am the owner of the team my priority would be to ensuring that the team is more likely successful in the long run and not just in this season.

Simply put, the Flames and Treliving are in a jam, and I think it is unlikely that this is an issue which gets resolved before the end of the season. Is ownership brave enough and committed enough to a longer-term goal to see this through?

[GranteedEV]

I'm going to pull a name out that should be relatively cheap to acquire.

This player is from Western Canada.
This player is 30 years old, so should still have something left in the tank and something to prove.
He has 49 NHL starts in his career, of which 33 are quality starts (.673 QS% - the highest of anyone active with at least 30 starts)
He has a career .923SV% in 56GP and a 2.31 GAA.
He's currently his team's 3rd string goalie.
He's played one game this season, where he saved 31/33 shots he faced, but lost.
He has previously shown he can handle a string of consecutive starts with huge pressure to win.



Andrew Hammond.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Trade Mike Smith + something to the Wings for Howard.
Howard is a UFA so give the Wings an asset beyond this season, a season in which they will miss the playoffs.

If Howard performs well here, sign-him to a 2-3 year deal.

Jesus, how many more bandaids need to be put on this festering tumour?

Howard is not the answer. The time for spending assets on stop gaps is over.

[Toonage]

Wings have been bad but Howard has looked pretty good for them actually. As far as stop gaps go, you could do much much worse. Like you know, Smith.