Would you support more spending on Alberta health care if you thought it would hurt other provinces?
Yes.
This line of thinking is some depressing, tall poppy bull ####. "Let's not improve the health outcomes for anyone... Everyone should wallow in mediocrity together"
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Would you support more spending on Alberta health care if you thought it would hurt other provinces?
I'd support spending more if it fixes our healthcare system. Other provinces can figure out their own problems. If it means every province needs to pay more for healthcare workers to stay in their part of the system, well that's how capitalism works. But I don't believe that's an issue even worth worrying about.
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That's ... actually more embarrassing then, because this:
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Same reason why I have not been a supporter of APP. Surly you, as someone who doesn’t want to harm the rest of Canada by implementing the APP can see why directly hurting the rest of the country isn’t necessary a benefit.
... is probably the dumbest reason a person could find to not support the APP out of a veritable sea of good reasons to choose from.
Everything points to the APP directly kicking Albertans' retirements square in the groin. The rest of Canada will be inconvenienced, perhaps, but the crux of the matter is that an APP would be demonstrably worse for Albertans. If the APP looked like a good idea because suddenly Albertans would have some superiorly-managed public pension that would give us greater returns and outcomes over everyone else, you'd frankly be stupid not to support it, and they'd be stupid not to try and emulate such a system.
I mean, hey, it's great that you don't support something stupid, but it's a case of task failed successfully when the reason you've picked is similarly dumb. You don't get full points for accidentally stumbling on the right answer when you have to show your work.
Also, this:
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Would you support more spending on Alberta health care if you thought it would hurt other provinces?
... is a poor attempt at a gotcha given the context from this:
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Just to be clear, I do not know if Alberta spending more to draw more resources to AHS would hurt other provinces or not.
This is like the time Cartman was pretending to be Glenn Beck on South Park. "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS."
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Ok, give me some slack here because this is a very uneducated take, with no research done.
... and were talking about healthcare. Am I to understand you threw darts at a board while blindfolded to pick your position on the APP too?
This isn't about being uneducated or having under-researched on any one subject; you're basically saying if there's a way to make things under provincial jurisdiction better but it might disadvantage other provinces, you wouldn't do it. So if we start creating more desirable jobs in this province and that attracts skilled workers from elsewhere in the country for example, do we say "Nah, that's mean" and forego that? They try and do that too, you know.
you&me kind of hit the nail on the head by calling it depressing tall poppy nonsense. We have the money, we should strive to make a better system. If it works amazingly for us, other provinces would do well to try and emulate such a system as best they can. Everything else will need to adapt and scale to the demand created, it could end up being beneficial all-around.
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You said:... and were talking about healthcare. Am I to understand you threw darts at a board while blindfolded to pick your position on the APP too?
This isn't about being uneducated or having under-researched on any one subject; you're basically saying if there's a way to make things under provincial jurisdiction better but it might disadvantage other provinces, you wouldn't do it. So if we start creating more desirable jobs in this province and that attracts skilled workers from elsewhere in the country for example, do we say "Nah, that's mean" and forego that? They try and do that too, you know.
you&me kind of hit the nail on the head by calling it depressing tall poppy nonsense. We have the money, we should strive to make a better system. If it works amazingly for us, other provinces would do well to try and emulate such a system as best they can. Everything else will need to adapt and scale to the demand created, it could end up being beneficial all-around.
That’s not what I said.
I am not totally against what you are saying here though. What I said was based on a hypothetical (which I actually would like to know if there is any merit to it at all).
I am not totally against what you are saying here though. What I said was based on a hypothetical (which I actually would like to know if there is any merit to it at all).
The thing is though, there's already a huge competition for talent in the medical field.
Wait. Do you hear that? That loud sucking sound? That's the US, sucking up doctors and specialists from around the world, paying them 10, 20, even 30 TIMES more than they'd stand to make in Canada. Heck, on the last page, there are examples of pay disparity pushing 100% between the public and private sectors and another anecdote of how much less ####ty some of the private sector options are, compared to being on the front lines in the public sector (so it's not all just dollars and cents, but work environment, quality of life, etc).
So again, we can think / pretend / question whether paying more is right, or fair to other provinces, but really, we should be aware that there's already huge competition for talent and we either get with it, or swirl further 'round the bowl.
The real mind #### is that this isn't even an economic problem... We could afford to increase capacity and staffing tomorrow, but instead the biggest obstacle to at least making the system better is ideological... starting with that muppet in Edmonton.
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The thing is though, there's already a huge competition for talent in the medical field.
Wait. Do you hear that? That loud sucking sound? That's the US, sucking up doctors and specialists from around the world, paying them 10, 20, even 30 TIMES more than they'd stand to make in Canada. Heck, on the last page, there are examples of pay disparity pushing 100% between the public and private sectors and another anecdote of how much less ####ty some of the private sector options are, compared to being on the front lines in the public sector (so it's not all just dollars and cents, but work environment, quality of life, etc).
So again, we can think / pretend / question whether paying more is right, or fair to other provinces, but really, we should be aware that there's already huge competition for talent and we either get with it, or swirl further 'round the bowl.
The real mind #### is that this isn't even an economic problem... We could afford to increase capacity and staffing tomorrow, but instead the biggest obstacle to at least making the system better is ideological... starting with that muppet in Edmonton.
I think it’s probably cheaper to educate more with punitive consequences if they leave within first x years. We currently have more demand for education in medical fields than we do spaces. So we have qualified people being turned away or going elsewhere to get medical educstion at the same time we complain we can’t hire people. Expand education spots.
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I think it’s probably cheaper to educate more with punitive consequences if they leave within first x years. We currently have more demand for education in medical fields than we do spaces. So we have qualified people being turned away or going elsewhere to get medical educstion at the same time we complain we can’t hire people. Expand education spots.
Why would we do that, when we can just reduce funding for universities and tell people "it's gonna take some belt tightening, and we got to make some sacrifices", all the while providing nine-digit funding for a new hockey arena and virtue signal $1.3 billion on a mythical pipeline?
Why would we do that, when we can just reduce funding for universities and tell people "it's gonna take some belt tightening, and we got to make some sacrifices", all the while providing nine-digit funding for a new hockey arena and virtue signal $1.3 billion on a mythical pipeline?
I don’t think framing as a choice between hockey arenas and pipelines and healthcare is beneficial. We do not have a tax base shortage. A simple PST would fund all of these initiatives. I think it becomes divisive that it frames people who support tax payers funding the arena as being against funding of healthcare. You can be for both.
I don’t think framing as a choice between hockey arenas and pipelines and healthcare is beneficial. We do not have a tax base shortage. A simple PST would fund all of these initiatives. I think it becomes divisive that it frames people who support tax payers funding the arena as being against funding of healthcare. You can be for both.
Agreed with the PST, but that's not going to happen any time soon. As well, divisiveness will always exist when government funding is at stake and money is limited. Comes down to priorities - what do you want your public government's funding priorities to be for the betterment of Albertans?
Agreed with the PST, but that's not going to happen any time soon. As well, divisiveness will always exist when government funding is at stake and money is limited. Comes down to priorities - what do you want your public government's funding priorities to be for the betterment of Albertans?
Yup. When your government is refusing to stabilize their tax income options, funding private schools run by party allies, letting healthcare collapse, cancelling industries and projects that can bring job growth and more energy, doing sweet F all for sky high utility and insurance rates, and gambling away precious tax funds on risky projects with shaky prospects to begin with, you have every right to frame government choices as opportunity costs.
