[Rumour] Friedman: Jackets testing market for Panarin - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

flamesforcup · 06-20-2018, 09:59 AM

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...38149824421888

"There is word today that Artemi Panarin has told CLB that he is not ready to consider an extension “at this time.” (UFA July 2019.) As a result, the Blue Jackets are testing the market for him."

Sorry if this is not allowed please delete mods. I thought this deserved its own thread since Panarin is literally the player we need. What are people prepared to give up for him?

edit:also according to Mike Russo the Flyers are gearing up to trade Wayne Simmonds. He is a ufa after next year and 12 team ntc. We should go after these 2 players hard

pepper24 · 06-20-2018, 10:01 AM

Bennett, Brouwer and rights to Stajan before he goes UFA.

Finger Cookin · 06-20-2018, 10:02 AM

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What are people prepared to give up for him?

Less than what it would take to get him.

flamesforcup · 06-20-2018, 10:03 AM

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Less than what it would take to get him.

He almost single hand-idly carried the blue Jackets to a win against Washington. We are automatically a playoff team if we add him.
Imagine him with Gaudreau

flamesforcup · 06-20-2018, 10:04 AM

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Bennett, Brouwer and rights to Stajan before he goes UFA.

Im sure the Jackets would be ecstatic for those 2 studs in exchange for their best player

Finger Cookin · 06-20-2018, 10:18 AM

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He almost single hand-idly carried the blue Jackets to a win against Washington. We are automatically a playoff team if we add him.
Imagine him with Gaudreau

I'm just saying fans and members here would generally not be willing to pay what it takes to acquire him, especially if he'd agree to an extension. If he didn't agree to an extension and walked after we acquired him, folks would be even less impressed.

flamesforcup · 06-20-2018, 10:26 AM

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I'm just saying fans and members here would generally not be willing to pay what it takes to acquire him, especially if he'd agree to an extension. If he didn't agree to an extension and walked after we acquired him, folks would be even less impressed.

I think if we were to acquire him we would verbally agree with him for a contract beforehand.

dissentowner · 06-20-2018, 10:28 AM

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I think if we were to acquire him we would verbally agree with him for a contract beforehand.

This. If the BJ are willing to deal him because he does not want to talk contract that is a big red flag.

sureLoss · 06-20-2018, 10:29 AM

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I think if we were to acquire him we would verbally agree with him for a contract beforehand.

Unless he wants out of the blue jackets specifically, his agent says he doesn't want to discuss an extension "at this time". That is why the Blue Jackets are exploring trading him and probably unlikely he would agree to a contract before a trade (again unless he wants away from the BJs specifically)

Like I said in the trade rumor thread, you have to approach this as if you are acquiring a rental, not a core piece that will be around for some time. If necessary you give something conditional to the Jackets in the case he does re-sign.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-20-2018, 10:31 AM

If it's a sign and trade, this would presumably involve Sam Bennett plus one of Fox or Valimaki. Ain't cheap. As for Simmonds, that has "bad UFA contract" written all over it.

direwolf · 06-20-2018, 10:33 AM

Panarin would be a great addition to the Flames. I imagine our PP would improve immensely with a guy like that.

flamesforcup · 06-20-2018, 10:36 AM

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If it's a sign and trade, this would presumably involve Sam Bennett plus one of Fox or Valimaki. Ain't cheap. As for Simmonds, that has "bad UFA contract" written all over it.

If its a sign and trade i think it would take more than that. Imagine what you would want for Gaudreau

Buff · 06-20-2018, 10:39 AM

Maybe he wants to see how Columbus progresses before deciding on re-signing with the team. Perhaps he isn't confident in the direction of the team and would rather go somewhere with a stronger chance of contending.

Maybe he wants to see where the salary cap goes next year. It's going up to about $84M this year, what if it makes another big jump next year? He could potentially earn a little more by waiting a year.

Maybe his reluctance has the team worried about their chances to keep him. They could get a good return for him, so if he is going to be hard to sign for a contract that works with the team, maybe they're better off shipping him out? Do it now while they can still get something for him that helps them continue to build the team now and later.

Textcritic · 06-20-2018, 10:44 AM

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...Maybe he wants to see where the salary cap goes next year. It's going up to about $84M this year, what if it makes another big jump next year? He could potentially earn a little more by waiting a year...

No, it is not.

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Loooks like the 2018-2019 Salary Cap is expected to be $79 to $80 million according to TSN this morning...

Calgary4LIfe · 06-20-2018, 10:45 AM

It will be interesting to see this play out, but it could very well be Panarin asking for a trade, without actually asking for a trade. To say he will only talk about an extension in the Fall makes me believe this is a ploy to move on.

I would bet that if a team that Panarin prefers expresses interest, he would probably end up negotiating an extension. This will effectively provide him with a NTC to some effect. It I am reading this right, then that is a pretty smart (though underhanded) move on his part. There may be another reason for not negotiating an extension with Columbus, so who really knows. Until more gets leaked out, we don't really have any idea other than simply guessing.

I would love him on the Flames, and without question he is the most talented player available this offseason thus far. I am not sure it would take draft picks to get him either, as Columbus is in a 'win-now' mode.

How much of an impact would he have in Calgary?

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Bennett - Jankowski - Panarin
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik

I would bet that he would get that 2nd line going - Bennett and Jankowski need a guy who is experienced. I think it would balance out the lines quite nicely. Falls into the Flames' age group. As a huge bonus, he is a RHS and the Flames would probably love to have that on the PP.

sureLoss · 06-20-2018, 10:50 AM

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It will be interesting to see this play out, but it could very well be Panarin asking for a trade, without actually asking for a trade. To say he will only talk about an extension in the Fall makes me believe this is a ploy to move on.

That seems like a strange way to do it. Just ask for a trade and force the BJs hand. Or be upfront that you will not consider re-signing with the BJs.

btimbit · 06-20-2018, 10:51 AM

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If it's a sign and trade, this would presumably involve Sam Bennett plus one of Fox or Valimaki. Ain't cheap. As for Simmonds, that has "bad UFA contract" written all over it.

Agreed on Simmonds. Love the player so much but if I had to guess the next Ladd style drop off its him.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-20-2018, 10:53 AM

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If its a sign and trade i think it would take more than that. Imagine what you would want for Gaudreau

I agree, I'm just saying I think that's what it would be based around if it were the Flames involved. I do think Gaudreau has higher value that Panarin in general, and more so here where Panarin has put some pressure on the BJs to trade him.

But the point is, if you're crafting a trade proposal here, it's going to cost a lot - not Bennett plus odds and ends and a cap dump like Brouwer. Not even close.

Calgary4LIfe · 06-20-2018, 10:57 AM

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That seems like a strange way to do it. Just ask for a trade and force the BJs hand. Or be upfront that you will not consider re-signing with the BJs.

It makes sense only if Panarin doesn't want the backlash that comes from players openly asking for a trade. This way, after Columbus trades him, he would be able to hold his hands up and say: "I didn't really want to leave..". It is much more palatable for a fanbase to be left unsure of the motivations.

I do agree that asking for a trade should be the way to conduct yourself if that is what you want, however.

Textcritic · 06-20-2018, 10:59 AM

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It will be interesting to see this play out, but it could very well be Panarin asking for a trade, without actually asking for a trade. To say he will only talk about an extension in the Fall makes me believe this is a ploy to move on.

I would bet that if a team that Panarin prefers expresses interest, he would probably end up negotiating an extension. This will effectively provide him with a NTC to some effect. It I am reading this right, then that is a pretty smart (though underhanded) move on his part. There may be another reason for not negotiating an extension with Columbus, so who really knows. Until more gets leaked out, we don't really have any idea other than simply guessing.

I would love him on the Flames, and without question he is the most talented player available this offseason thus far. I am not sure it would take draft picks to get him either, as Columbus is in a 'win-now' mode...

I am betting this is precisely how things will play out: CBJ will float trade offers and will ultimately move him to a team with an extension in place, effectively giving him the (limited) choice of his next destination. This is the only way the Blue Jackets recoup a decent return on the player—otherwise, there is simply no sense in trading him.

Artemi Panarin chose his destination when he arrived in the NHL. It seems abundantly clear that that choice is a priority for him. I do wonder if the Flames might be able to get themselves into this conversation, since they were reportedly one of the four teams (along with Chicago, Toronto, Pittsburgh) who were negotiating with Panarin to make the move from the KHL to the NHL in the first place. That familiarity and the Flames's cap situation may play into their favour.