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Old 11-25-2021, 02:01 PM   #3381
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Flames have the best ES save% in the history of the NHL right now.

That's lucky. I'm not saying they aren't playing well 5 on 5, but there is no way they are going to sustain this kind of save percentage.

They are getting a lot of luck.

If you can't acknowledge that, it's not my problem.
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Old 11-25-2021, 02:02 PM   #3382
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I’m not experienced with playing hockey, most of what I know about the game I can attribute to Calgary Puck. That being said, I watched the Edmonton Coyotes highlights and it was all one line from the Oilers. The entire highlight reel, one line. My take away as someone who has limited knowledge of the game is, it’s not a team sport it’s a superstar sport. Try to get the puck to two guys and they should win the game. Is this really the case? Or am I watching an anomaly?
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Flames have the best ES save% in the history of the NHL right now.
That sounds like quite the impressive feat considering the Winnipeg Jets currently have a higher ES save percentage
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Flames have the best ES save% in the history of the NHL right now.

That's lucky. I'm not saying they aren't playing well 5 on 5, but there is no way they are going to sustain this kind of save percentage.

They are getting a lot of luck.

If you can't acknowledge that, it's not my problem.
I assume you'd be willing to acknowledge the same about the Oilers' 39% PP%, which is about 9% higher than the league record?
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Old 11-25-2021, 02:04 PM   #3385
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http://www.nhl.com/stats/teams?aggre...=0&pageSize=50
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Flames have the best ES save% in the history of the NHL right now.

That's lucky. I'm not saying they aren't playing well 5 on 5, but there is no way they are going to sustain this kind of save percentage.

They are getting a lot of luck.

If you can't acknowledge that, it's not my problem.
again maybe watch a game...look at the Flames goal differential, they aren't winning 1-0 in those shutouts. Markstrom/DV have been really good but Markstrom stole one game. Flames are the better team probably 17 or 18 of 20 games.

Funny how you are back after barely beating a team that is trying to lose this season...crickets the night before when they played an average team and got pounded
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I assume you'd be willing to acknowledge the same about the Oilers' 39% PP%, which is about 9% higher than the league record?
Sure. Why wouldn't I?

It's also completely unsustainable.
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5v5 =/= ES

It's only a subset of ES
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Old 11-25-2021, 02:07 PM   #3389
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Iím not experienced with playing hockey, most of what I know about the game I can attribute to Calgary Puck. That being said, I watched the Edmonton Coyotes highlights and it was all one line from the Oilers. The entire highlight reel, one line. My take away as someone who has limited knowledge of the game is, itís not a team sport itís a superstar sport. Try to get the puck to two guys and they should win the game. Is this really the case? Or am I watching an anomaly?
Sir, I think if you ask any Oiler fan they will tell you that Draisaitl and McDavid don't in fact play together. Draisaitl has proven that he is capable of carrying his own line.

If that weren't true how would it be possible for each of them to get 4 points in a 5 goal game....with the only other forward to get points being the guy who played with McDavid...and Draisaitl....wait...this doesn't seem to make any sense....
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You show me a team with consistently strong goaltending stats, and I'll show you a team that is playing well defensively.

The fact that Markstrom and Vladar have almost identical stats (small sample size, I know) speaks to the fact that it is a team stat.

Markstrom's best GAA prior to this year was 2.63 (6 straight years between 2.63 and 2.77) and now suddenly he is a full goal per game better at 1.73. As is his partner.

Either he suddenly (at 31, and at the exact same time as his 24YO partner) became a MUCH better goalie, or maybe the team game has something to do with it.
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Flames have the best ES save% in the history of the NHL right now.

That's lucky. I'm not saying they aren't playing well 5 on 5, but there is no way they are going to sustain this kind of save percentage.

They are getting a lot of luck.

If you can't acknowledge that, it's not my problem.
Yes, the Flames' 5v5 SV% is not sustainable. OTOH, they are outscoring opponents by an average of 1.5 goals/game, and have almost no 1 goal victories, so a bit of a regression in the SV% is unlikely to impact the win/loss ratio much.

Do you know what else is unsustainable? The Oiler's PP shooting percentage. With the Oilers' goal differential being less than 1 goal per game, a regression of this aberrant stat is much more likely to impact wins and losses.
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Flames have the best ES save% in the history of the NHL right now.

That's lucky. I'm not saying they aren't playing well 5 on 5, but there is no way they are going to sustain this kind of save percentage.

They are getting a lot of luck.

If you can't acknowledge that, it's not my problem.
Having a bad day?

I'm saying a lot of Hasek teams were a lot different than the Flames are right now. They needed Hasek to stand on his head to win, the Flames right now don't. That's all. Sheesh.
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Old 11-25-2021, 02:08 PM   #3393
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Iím not experienced with playing hockey, most of what I know about the game I can attribute to Calgary Puck. That being said, I watched the Edmonton Coyotes highlights and it was all one line from the Oilers. The entire highlight reel, one line. My take away as someone who has limited knowledge of the game is, itís not a team sport itís a superstar sport. Try to get the puck to two guys and they should win the game. Is this really the case? Or am I watching an anomaly?
Is that what you see when you watch all games, or when you watch Oiler highlights?

(because there's your answer)
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5v5 =/= ES

It's only a subset of ES
Yeah I know that.

I just use the terms interchangeably because ES time is generally 5 on 5.

Flames have played 1000 ES and like 950 of that is 5 on 5.

Doesn't make much difference either way.
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Sure. Why wouldn't I?

It's also completely unsustainable.
It's only unsustainable until it becomes sustainable.

People said Edmonton being No Good was unsustainable, but here we are with E=NG v.9.
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Yeah I know that.

I just use the terms interchangeably because ES time is generally 5 on 5.

Flames have played 1000 ES and like 950 of that is 5 on 5.

Doesn't make much difference either way.
It does, because the Jets have a higher ES SV% than the Flames.
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Does anyone else have trouble opening the NHL.com site STATS page? Sometimes it just won't load for me
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It does, because the Jets have a higher ES SV% than the Flames.
It doesn't change the fact that its unsustainable.
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Old 11-25-2021, 02:13 PM   #3399
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It's only unsustainable until it becomes sustainable.

People said Edmonton being No Good was unsustainable, but here we are with E=NG v.9.
What a time to run out of thanks
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It doesn't change the fact that its unsustainable.
Okay, let's hypothetically call it unsustainable (even though 5v5 individual SV% is a far more sustainable stat for a goalie over a season than team SH%, PP%, PK%, 4v5 SV% etc).

Now prove that it needs to be sustained
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