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Old 11-25-2021, 12:17 PM   #3361
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Pretty much what every team knows, Oilers score on the power play. Limit their PP time and it's a win.

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The oilers know it too, that's why they are campaigning so hard for more powerplays and resorting to diving.

Reminds me of the canucks during the sedins time there. Especially during their contention window.
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:33 PM   #3362
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Have they really?

The big tough additions are playing depth roles and the Flames are winning due to Hasek level goaltending and huge offensive contributions from small guys (Gaudreau,Mangipiane,Kylington).

Goaltending will help in the playoffs, but how are the three guys mentioned going to thrive when they are held, slashed, and interfered with?

If anything Flames fans should also be pushing for the game to be called squarely. It's their best chance at success.
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:40 PM   #3363
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The part about winning due to Hasek levels of goaltending is hilarious. Hasek constantly bailed out teams that were being dominated. That isn't happening here. Hasek was a freak of nature and no goalies in the NHL at the moment could hold a candle to him, in my humble opinion of course.

Both goalies are doing their jobs, but the shutouts and low goals allowed have been a team effort.
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:42 PM   #3364
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But the star was hit with a two-minute minor for bad taste — and lack of colour.
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:46 PM   #3365
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:46 PM   #3366
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With the Oilers, sportsnet and the players on the ice constantly campaigning for penalty calls, the officials have to be getting sick of it.

I mean frankly I've talked to a lot of officials, more in football then anything else. But if you constantly try to embarrass officials they will literally stop working with you at some point. The Oilers and everyone else is actively trying to do this. It took a while a few years ago, but in the Stanley Cup finals the Canucks paid for their diving strategies.



I noticed Connor campaigning for a penalty on that power play. I think the only solution at this point and it will piss off everyone is if the refs started calling unsportsmen likes and embellishment calls on the Oilers, and the league phones up the Oilers and tells them to stop being embarrassments.



I remember in one game I coached, our bench was screaming at the refs for every single mistake real and otherwise, and I was thinking, we're not going to get a single call in our favor because of this, because its the only way that refs can show displeasure with our antics without going to the next step which is tossing coaches out.



The Oilers and their people need to stop this, its become unprofessional.

Interesting how hyped up this campaign is; When you do an internet search on "Lack of calls McDavid", not only a long list of complaints comes up, but Youtube vids from 2016 and 2019/20 come up complaining about lack of calls on McDavid. Seems this has been a regular campaign for a few years now, they are just hyping it up so they can keep that powerplay machine going...

It is a poor man's strategy to win more games.
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:45 PM   #3367
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The part about winning due to Hasek levels of goaltending is hilarious. Hasek constantly bailed out teams that were being dominated. That isn't happening here. Hasek was a freak of nature and no goalies in the NHL at the moment could hold a candle to him, in my humble opinion of course.

Both goalies are doing their jobs, but the shutouts and low goals allowed have been a team effort.
How many more shutouts do you think Markstrom will have this season?
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:48 PM   #3368
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How many more shutouts do you think Markstrom will have this season?
More than Koskinen, Smith and Skinner combined I reckon. Hahaha.
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More than Koskinen, Smith and Skinner combined I reckon. Hahaha.
You think he'll put up another 5 or 10?
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How many more shutouts do you think Markstrom will have this season?
Maybe none. But that's not the point. Hasek often bailed out bad teams, teams getting outplayed and outshot to keep them in the game. That's not what's happening here. The Flames are playing well, and well defensively. Having the goalies play great is nice, it's a bonus.
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You think he'll put up another 5 or 10?
He could only put up one more and it's still more than all those three sieves combined.
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Maybe none. But that's not the point. Hasek often bailed out bad teams, teams getting outplayed and outshot to keep them in the game. That's not what's happening here. The Flames are playing well, and well defensively. Having the goalies play great is nice, it's a bonus.
It's completely unsustainable.

Fans often ignore good chances when the goalie makes the save.
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:50 PM   #3373
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How many more shutouts do you think Markstrom will have this season?
And how many of those shutouts would have been wins if the goalies had given up 2 goals? How about 3?

The answer is
2 - All of them
3 - all but one, which would have gone to OT


That's the thing. Are the Flames getting unreal goaltending? Yup they sure are.
Could they win without it? Sure looks that way.

You wanna ask the same questions about the Oiler's power play?

That's how hockey works. When a team is playing good hockey, and getting amazing goaltending, they look like world beaters.
If one of those things goes cold for a while they can weather the storm and hang in there until the ship rights itself.

When you're a 1 line team, who is winning games on the strength of a ridiculous powerplay, what is there to keep things from falling apart when that 1 thing goes cold?
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:50 PM   #3374
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Eventually they do. Right now though the Oilers have had a really soft schedule.

The schedule maker obviously can't control when a coach decides to play their backup or third stringer but they can control who they play and when.
Only to a small extent. Arena availability plays a factor as does the opponents travel schedule. When an eastern team comes to Calgary they will typically also play Edmonton and Vancouver so the schedule needs to accommodate dates in all three cities, not just one. When the Flames (or Oilers) travel to Florida they are going to play a few games against other eastern teams on the same trip. All those cities need availability within a pretty small window to accommodate this.
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How many more shutouts do you think Markstrom will have this season?
LOL - what difference does it make?

(hint: either argument could be 'supported' with respect to either lots more shutouts, or none)

You have yet to say anything that demonstrates that you have some idea about what is currently happening with the Flames
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How many more shutouts do you think Markstrom will have this season?
More than Smith and Koskinen combined
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It's completely unsustainable.

Fans often ignore good chances when the goalie makes the save.

Looks of talk about stats but many here don't seem to understand them.
Okay hold on. You brought up Hasek. I'm saying there's a difference on a lot of the teams Hasek played on and how he had to stand on his head to give his team a chance, and what's happening right now in Calgary. The Flames are outplaying and outshooting a lot of teams this season, having the goalies play great as well is an added bonus. They're not winning just because of the goalies.
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:57 PM   #3378
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Okay hold on. You brought up Hasek. I'm saying there's a difference on a lot of the teams Hasek played on and how he had to stand on his head to give his team a chance, and what's happening right now in Calgary. The Flames are outplaying and outshooting a lot of teams this season, having the goalies play great as well is an added bonus. They're not winning just because of the goalies.
Flames have the best ES save% in the history of the NHL right now.

That's lucky. I'm not saying they aren't playing well 5 on 5, but there is no way they are going to sustain this kind of save percentage.

They are getting a lot of luck.

If you can't acknowledge that, it's not my problem.
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It's completely unsustainable.

Fans often ignore good chances when the goalie makes the save.
Again, proof you haven't watched.

The Flames have had lights-out goaltending about 3 times this year. There have been at least as many games (more) where fans thought the goaltending wasn't great (one or two soft goals).

I don't know how many times people need to explain this to you, but the team defense is giving up very few 5 alarm chances - most nights there are none. The goaltending has been solid, but it has not been the story. The story has been how well the Flames have played without the puck, and how few real chances they have given up.

There have been multiple games this year where the commentators for the other team remarked at how difficult it was to generate changes against the Flames. THAT has been the theme.

I understand how you, as an Oiler fan, want to find something to scratch at, but the simple fact of the matter is that you have completely missed the mark here. Completely.
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How many more shutouts do you think Markstrom will have this season?
A 1-0 shutout is the difference between winning and losing.
A 5-0 shutout is the difference between being mad at some dude on a message board for saying shutout and winning with a shutout.

Now tell me

how many 1-0 shutouts Markstrom has

versus

how many shutouts where the Flames gave him 3 goals or more before the first or second period was even over.
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