10-13-2019, 10:52 PM
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#41
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I'm not a Treliving hater by any means, but...
When your buyouts, Lucic and Derek Ryan have a combined cap hit of over 11 million dollars, it sure makes you wonder who would be playing RW on the top line if it weren't for his mistakes.
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10-13-2019, 10:53 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Well, I dare say Justin Williams would be a step forward.
How about trading Bennett, Jankowski, Frolik and Flames first for Malkin, and then trade Brodie to Winnipeg to recoup the first?
Sure the Flames would have to wait three months to get Malkin back from injury, but I dare say that a Tkachuk-Malkin-Williams second line would get the attention of opposing teams.
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Why would the Pens make that deal
It’s just a bunch of stuff and not a single great asset
Williams is an interesting suggestion but I recall he’s not been interested in Canadian teams
I’d sign Brian Boyle
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10-13-2019, 10:53 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
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But it would have to happen now to make sense
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Originally Posted by oilboimcdavid
Eakins wasn't a bad coach, the team just had 2 bad years, they should've been more patient.
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10-13-2019, 10:54 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Well, I dare say Justin Williams would be a step forward.
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No idea how him and Peters got along, and, if he would come back with another team other then Carolina, but he would solidify a pretty meek Flames center situation. Williams, Tkachuk and xxxx as a second line?
Backlund to the third line.
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10-13-2019, 10:54 PM
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#45
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
I'm not a Treliving hater by any means, but...
When your buyouts, Lucic and Derek Ryan have a combined cap hit of over 11 million dollars, it sure makes you wonder who would be playing RW on the top line if it weren't for his mistakes.
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Ok Derek Ryan playing six bad games at the beginning of the season does not invalidate five months of excellent play from him last year
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10-13-2019, 10:55 PM
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#46
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
I'm not a Treliving hater by any means, but...
When your buyouts, Lucic and Derek Ryan have a combined cap hit of over 11 million dollars, it sure makes you wonder who would be playing RW on the top line if it weren't for his mistakes.
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Kaboom
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10-13-2019, 10:56 PM
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#47
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Originally Posted by browna
No idea how him and Peters got along, and, if he would come back with another team other then Carolina, but he would solidify a pretty meek Flames center situation. Williams, Tkachuk and xxxx as a second line?
Backlund to the third line.
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What're you gonna do, pay him in oats?
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10-13-2019, 10:58 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Ok Derek Ryan playing six bad games at the beginning of the season does not invalidate five months of excellent play from him last year
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You can substitute Ryan for Frolik if you'd like. Then just change my number to 12 million.
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10-13-2019, 10:59 PM
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#49
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
You can substitute Ryan for Frolik if you'd like. Then just change my number to 12 million.
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That signing wasn't a mistake either.
There's no point in grasping at straws, here, Lucic and the buyouts do enough to hammer home the point. Talbot at $2.75 is beginning to look somewhat egregious.
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10-13-2019, 10:59 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Why would the Pens make that deal
It’s just a bunch of stuff and not a single great asset
Williams is an interesting suggestion but I recall he’s not been interested in Canadian teams
I’d sign Brian Boyle
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Yup, as I mentioned yesterday, Boyle too would give the Flames a veteran center option. Tbqh Backlund needs to be pushed a bit for that second role, and it’s not a scoring line, nor was it last year, or last playoffs when it was really needed. Goodness know Jankowski isn’t pushing him Bennett has much bigger issues in general then worrying about switching positions, can’t pull Lindholm off the top line, and Ryan is fine as 3c or 4c, but shouldn’t be counted on for much more.
It would look as a bit of a desperate act, but really, Jankowski and Frolik wouldn’t be on this team right now if BT had his plans go through, so he wasn’t apsatisifed then and can’t be satisfied now, and imo will not be quite so patient this season as he was last, to make a move like Boyle or Williams.
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10-13-2019, 11:01 PM
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#51
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Yeah...there is no help coming from outside at this point.
The answers, if they exist, are already in that room.
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10-13-2019, 11:01 PM
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#52
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Scoring Winger
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All we accomplished this off season was collect picked over oil grease.
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10-13-2019, 11:04 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
That signing wasn't a mistake either.
There's no point in grasping at straws, here, Lucic and the buyouts do enough to hammer home the point. Talbot at $2.75 is beginning to look somewhat egregious.
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Frolik has been bad for going on two seasons now, of course the signing was bad. Sure it started off good (first 2-3 seasons), but a contract is judged over the course of its entirety, not just the first few seasons. He would arguably clear waivers now.
As for Ryan, he's only in the second year of his and it started off really bad last year too. Maybe he's just a slow starter? Looks brutal though.
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10-13-2019, 11:05 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Yes its early, but seeing some troubling signs. Giving the opposition leads in most games -- why is this team never ready to play from the opening face off?
Guys like Bennett and Janko absolutely must take a step forward for this team. So far, not happening.
They didn't play a terrible game tonight but this isn't exactly looking like a scary contender right now, nor a team that believes it should be the elite of the NHL. Frankly I'm not sure its as simple as giving it time and they'll somehow be back up to conference leading status. I think there are a few problems to solve with this team.
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10-13-2019, 11:08 PM
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#55
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
Frolik has been bad for going on two seasons now, of course the signing was bad. Sure it started off good (first 2-3 seasons), but a contract is judged over the course of its entirety, not just the first few seasons. He would arguably clear waivers now.
As for Ryan, he's only in the second year of his and it started off really bad last year too. Maybe he's just a slow starter? Looks brutal though.
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Ryan was bad last year for about ten games. He was probably the Flames' 6th-best forward at least after that. I'm not worried about him at all, he's been meh again to start this year but he's a really good player. Funny how we've already forgotten just how critical he was for the Flames when Gaudreau went cold down the stretch.
And the doom and gloom on Frolik is really oversold imo. Dude was a critical part of one of the best lines in hockey for a couple years. Still really productive even as recently as last year. He's overpaid for what he is now but the Flames got three really good years from that contract and this year is still up in the air.
Six-game samples are useless.
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10-13-2019, 11:11 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Was at the game tonight sitting in the Sharks end.
Didn't see the Flames win many faceoffs in the offensive zones particularly in the third period. Gave the sharks easy clears when the Flames were on the PP and late with the goalie pulled.
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10-13-2019, 11:12 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
Frolik has been bad for going on two seasons now, of course the signing was bad. Sure it started off good (first 2-3 seasons), but a contract is judged over the course of its entirety, not just the first few seasons. He would arguably clear waivers now.
As for Ryan, he's only in the second year of his and it started off really bad last year too. Maybe he's just a slow starter? Looks brutal though.
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Both Frolik and Ryan, overall have been average to good signings
I realize we are in the “everything sucks mode” right now but look at those contracts and what the players have provided
They are fine
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10-13-2019, 11:12 PM
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#58
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Powerplay Quarterback
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But, in my opinion, Flames getting better in every games. Hope the scoring comes soon, and some guys gets better.
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10-13-2019, 11:12 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
I'm not a Treliving hater by any means, but...
When your buyouts, Lucic and Derek Ryan have a combined cap hit of over 11 million dollars, it sure makes you wonder who would be playing RW on the top line if it weren't for his mistakes.
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Derek Ryan is a mistake now?
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10-13-2019, 11:13 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Us being a deep team is a CP myth. After Monahan, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Backlund almost every guy has zero or negative trade value and would have difficulty cracking any other NHL line up that isn’t the Oilers.
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