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Old 09-17-2015, 11:34 AM   #1
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Can't read it but the opening is puzzling.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/insid...-offseason-nhl

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By and large, the perception within hockey's analytics community is that NHL front offices got things right this free agent season. Using a variety of statistical methods, the number-crunchers I polled could only find serious concerns with about a handful of deals, and could identify only two teams that might have made multiple errors -- Calgary and Colorado.

To arrive at these results, a diverse mega-panel of 34 prominent hockey statisticians was convened, and asked to either approve, disapprove, or express neutrality on this summer's 44 free-agent signings that involved an annual cap hit of at least $2 million, made on or after July 1. Each of these analysts used standards and approaches of their own choosing, but set aside unmeasurable factors such as heart, grit, leadership, and clutch play.
Huh?

Isn't Frolik the only signing, and a solid possession player?
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:36 AM   #2
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I'm guessing they're talking about Bouma, but Bouma's analytics are very misleading so NBD.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:36 AM   #3
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It's ESPN. They are more into TMZ style reporting than actually talking about sports.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:42 AM   #4
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In the article they pinpoint Ramo as the 3rd worst signing with the concern that there were better goalies available for cheaper. The only backup for this was looking at save percentage so take it for what it's worth. Nothing in the article mentions Frolik or Bouma.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:44 AM   #5
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Ramo is probably overpaid. But he was already property of the Flames so they didn't give anything up to acquire him before signing him.

Flames aren't in cap trouble, so the signing works.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:47 AM   #6
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Ramo is probably overpaid. But he was already property of the Flames so they didn't give anything up to acquire him before signing him.

Flames aren't in cap trouble, so the signing works.
I was thinking it had to be Ramo, but after his play in the playoffs maybe they're expecting big things from him?
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In the article they pinpoint Ramo as the 3rd worst signing with the concern that there were better goalies available for cheaper. The only backup for this was looking at save percentage so take it for what it's worth. Nothing in the article mentions Frolik or Bouma.
what are the aforementioned "multiple errors" then, according to them?

Ramo might be overpaid, but it's a 1 year deal, so who cares?
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Kari Ramo was number 3 on worst signings of the summer.

The main contention is that we could have got a goaltender with a better save percentage over the time he is been back in the NHL for much cheaper.

They used Griess and McElhinney as examples of Goalies with comparable, but better save percentages, over the same period that signed for less then 2 million.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:48 AM   #9
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I'm guessing they're talking about Bouma
Maybe Ramo as well... If you see Ramo strictly as a back-up then he does cost way to much (although considering that the Flames were in no danger of going over the cap this year and it's just a 1 year deal I don't have a problem with it).
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Kari Ramo was number 3 on worst signings of the summer.

The main contention is that we could have got a goaltender with a better save percentage over the time he is been back in the NHL for much cheaper.

They used Griess and McElhinney as examples of Goalies with comparable, but better save percentages, over the same period that signed for less then 2 million.
Thing is, save percentages won't tell you which backup goaltenders can take over as starters, their mental makeup, their work ethic, how they perform when the book on them is out there, etc. That's why guys like Scrivens and Fasth have been such disasters up North. We know for a fact that Ramo is a proven goaltender whose save percentage is more an indictment on how bad our middle and bottom pairings were defensively than how "average" he is.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:51 AM   #11
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Their List:

1. Francois Beauchemin
2. Matt Beleskey
3. Karri Ramo
4. Paul Martin
5. Blake Comeau

HM: Brad Richardson, Eric Fehr

TBH, their justification is whack. Ramo got a one-year deal from a team that will have no trouble finding that space for this season. The goalie market this off-season saw backups traded for ridiculous prices. The Flames rightfully played it safe because our future number one is already inside the organization.

I would rathe overpay Ramo slightly (for one season) than give up assets for a backup from another team.

The article is also riddled with spelling mistakes and is not of the quality I come to expect from ESPN Insider.
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Kari Ramo was number 3 on worst signings of the summer.

The main contention is that we could have got a goaltender with a better save percentage over the time he is been back in the NHL for much cheaper.

They used Griess and McElhinney as examples of Goalies with comparable, but better save percentages, over the same period that signed for less then 2 million.


And that is exactly why you need to look at more than stats in this game..

McElhinney had a career year last year, but shows no signs of being an NHL starter. Ramo has already shown more in less NHL time.
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Isn't ESPN's opinion on Hockey irrelevant?
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While it is ESPN, article is written by Rob Vollman. A guy who Rob Kerr brings on Fan 960 regularly.
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In the article they pinpoint Ramo as the 3rd worst signing with the concern that there were better goalies available for cheaper. The only backup for this was looking at save percentage so take it for what it's worth. Nothing in the article mentions Frolik or Bouma.
So we're singled out as one of the teams that made a huge mistake - and it's all because we signed a goalie who performed pretty well for us last season to a 1 year deal worth less than 4M?

ESPN, you just don't get it.
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Bouma is the 2nd culprit on his list as he mentions Bouma in an example and says that contract just missed the top 5 list.

Personally i don't think either deal is really that bad.
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Their List:

1. Francois Beauchemin
2. Matt Beleskey
3. Karri Ramo
4. Paul Martin
5. Blake Comeau

HM: Brad Richardson, Eric Fehr

TBH, their justification is whack. Ramo got a one-year deal from a team that will have no trouble finding that space for this season. The goalie market this off-season saw backups traded for ridiculous prices. The Flames rightfully played it safe because our future number one is already inside the organization.

I would rathe overpay Ramo slightly (for one season) than give up assets for a backup from another team.

The article is also riddled with spelling mistakes and is not of the quality I come to expect from ESPN Insider.
Pretty much this, and in the meantime we keep a known quantity instead of gambling on someone else.
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While it is ESPN, article is written by Rob Vollman. A guy who Rob Kerr brings on Fan 960 regularly.
Vollman is one of the worst guests on the Fan and I've stopped listening to Kerr in the afternoons because of these guys he keeps bringing on. Vollman and Thoman Drance are the two people that make me change the station when they come on. If I don't I end up yelling at the radio.
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The article is also riddled with spelling mistakes and is not of the quality I come to expect from ESPN Insider.
Come to think of it, that's exactly what I come to expect from an ESPN Insider covering hockey.
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While it is ESPN, article is written by Rob Vollman. A guy who Rob Kerr brings on Fan 960 regularly.
Rob's a habs fan. What does he know!
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