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Old 02-28-2024, 10:57 AM   #11241
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They've abandoned it in the strangest way too. So much corruption mixed with strange, sometimes conflicting special interest. It's a remarkable bungle, and is probably further evidence of the total void of actual leadership up top.
It's BIG GESTURE politics. The Democrats are guilty of this too.

Whereas in the end, people are mostly single issue voters.
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Old 02-28-2024, 11:31 AM   #11242
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MYTH ALERT.


Based on what, exactly? Gambling on bitcoin? Cutting corporate tax rates?
Itís pretty outdated thinking. At this rate, I think the Conservatives and the NDP will both be better financially if for no other reason than the fact that corruption and bloat creeps in the longer a party stays in power, and starting fresh hits the reset button.

Financially, the NDP are going to spend more and offer more, better services (healthcare, education, etc) at the cost of increased taxes. The Conservatives are going to spend less and offer less and worse services at the benefit of reduced or stagnant taxes.

The choice between the NDP and the Conservatives is whether you want to live better with less spending money or live worse with more. Anyone looking to the Conservatives to be financial stewards hasnít been paying attentionÖ at all.
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Old 02-28-2024, 12:32 PM   #11243
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It’s pretty outdated thinking. At this rate, I think the Conservatives and the NDP will both be better financially if for no other reason than the fact that corruption and bloat creeps in the longer a party stays in power, and starting fresh hits the reset button.

Financially, the NDP are going to spend more and offer more, better services (healthcare, education, etc) at the cost of increased taxes. The Conservatives are going to spend less and offer less and worse services at the benefit of reduced or stagnant taxes.

The choice between the NDP and the Conservatives is whether you want to live better with less spending money or live worse with more. Anyone looking to the Conservatives to be financial stewards hasn’t been paying attention… at all.
Myth again, there really isn't much evidence of conservative governments spending less. Collecting less, yes there is evidence of that. but generally they've balanced the books by selling off public assets which ends up costing us more in the long run, the haven't had the backbone to cut services along with their rhetoric, because political suicide, and what they have cut has instead been outsourcing to private firms because they don't want to abandon the service which costs us more in the long run.

It's also worth noting, when you look at the long term costs of the UPC governments ill advised corporate welfare, it should be measured in the billions. You look at Bush II's dumb war, trillions. You look at Trumps tax cuts trillions. Reagan / Friedman gutting the regulatory state tens of trillions in public losses. Klein's infrastructure deficit at least hundreds of millions in future costs that didn't need to be incurred.

Generally what we have seen out of conservatives, is short term costly thinking that puts the low level background level of Trudeau corruption to shame.
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It will be most interesting to see if the social conservative base can be married to the union-workers rights voters successfully. I think they can be, especially if you stick closer to centre on both groups voting issues.
I doubt this specific legislation is going to move the needle much if at all for the anti-union crowd. Outside of maybe federally regulated trucking industry employees who are unionized this legislation wonít change much since the other federally regulated employers, whether they be government agencies(service Canada, CRA, etc), commercial airlines, rail, etc.. donít have the means to continue even partial operations by using replacement workers.

This legislation is more symbolic than anything else, though I still think itís a good law to pass. The majority of Canadian employees work for provincially regulated employers who wonít be subject to this change. BC and Quebec are the only provinces that have anti-scab legislation at the provincial level, although Manitoba is in the early stages of trying to implement it there as well. Ontario had their anti-scab legislation repealed but right now thereís a lot of pressure being put on Ford(who is also trying to come off as more pro-worker) to bring it back.
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Old 02-28-2024, 01:29 PM   #11245
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Myth again, there really isn't much evidence of conservative governments spending less. Collecting less, yes there is evidence of that. but generally they've balanced the books by selling off public assets which ends up costing us more in the long run, the haven't had the backbone to cut services along with their rhetoric, because political suicide, and what they have cut has instead been outsourcing to private firms because they don't want to abandon the service which costs us more in the long run.

It's also worth noting, when you look at the long term costs of the UPC governments ill advised corporate welfare, it should be measured in the billions. You look at Bush II's dumb war, trillions. You look at Trumps tax cuts trillions. Reagan / Friedman gutting the regulatory state tens of trillions in public losses. Klein's infrastructure deficit at least hundreds of millions in future costs that didn't need to be incurred.

Generally what we have seen out of conservatives, is short term costly thinking that puts the low level background level of Trudeau corruption to shame.
Yeah, thatís probably a fairer assessment than what I offered. I think the overwhelming message, though, is however you choose to vote, the belief that the NDP is going to financially ruin the country while the Conservatives will be good financial stewards is about as bogus as typical Conservative claptrap gets. Like you might as well just admit you havenít had an original thought in your life.
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Iíd actually be interested to hear your thoughts on this bill.
It's a good bill? A federal government hiring replacement workers instead of working out a deal with a union is not negotiating in good faith.

I mentioned you because you are extremely against replacement workers, and this would obviously be something you'd be happy with.
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Old 02-28-2024, 04:15 PM   #11247
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The only difference I can see in a party's platform is who is more pro Canadian energy as that will 100% lead to more prosperity for all Canadians.
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Nice. Gotta say our Premier is off to a great start. One of the best NDP MPs jumping ship before getting trashed in the upcoming election.

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The ArriveCan issue keeps getting more interesting as a DND employee has now been suspended because of the investigation. The DND employee is also the CEO of Dalian Enterprises and Dalian is allegedly a flow through contractor with many contracts from the government. The company is successful at getting contracts because of it's Indigenous status. Dalian had a contract for the ArriveCan app.

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ArriveCan is just a cesspool of dirt and corruption, and its not just the government, its civil servants, everyone wanted a piece of that sweet sweet easy government money.
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Old 02-28-2024, 09:00 PM   #11251
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It's a good bill? A federal government hiring replacement workers instead of working out a deal with a union is not negotiating in good faith.
Do you feel the same way about the negotiations with private sector companies that will be impacted by this bill?
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Do you feel the same way about the negotiations with private sector companies that will be impacted by this bill?
In Canada the right to strike is a constitutionally protected right. Replacement workers undermines that right.

You can certainly be critical of unions while still believing that hiring replacement workers is a bad faith negotiation. My issues with unions have to do union tactics, policies and their transgressions (see CUPE Ontario's president) but basic union rights should still be protected.

Harassing or assaulting a picket line crosser who may be unable to afford a strike is workplace bullying, and unions advocating violence and working to protect the assaulters on scab hunts, I am against. I am also against replacement workers. Both stances can be taken at the same time.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ames-1.6842137

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Two scientists fired from Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg in 2019 had an “extensive relationship” with China that they did not properly disclose to Canadian health officials, according to documents that were finally released over four years later.

Health Minister Mark Holland tabled the documents in Parliament on Wednesday after a special ad-hoc committee formed to review the documents determined efforts to keep the information under seal was meant to avoid the “embarrassment” of the Public Health Agency of Canada, rather than protecting national security.

Holland later told reporters that the documents show an “unacceptable” security situation in the lab.

The documents detail allegations against scientists Xiangguo Qiu and her husband Keding Cheng, who were escorted from the National Microbiology Laboratory in July 2019 for reasons public health officials described as “relating to possible breaches in security protocols.” They were subsequently fired in January 2021.

The Winnipeg lab is Canada’s only Level 4 laboratory, designed to deal safely with deadly contagious germs such as the Ebola virus.

Cheng was accused of violating safety and security policies by inviting restricted visitors into the lab unaccompanied, who then allegedly removed materials from the lab. Investigators also found Cheng received packages of biological samples from China that were mislabeled as “kitchen utensils,” which the investigation concluded was done to ease the shipping process but not with Cheng’s knowledge.
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In Canada the right to strike is a constitutionally protected right. Replacement workers undermines that right.
Agreed. Hopefully our provincial government will consider reinforcing that right by making similar changes to the Alberta Labour Relations Code.

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You can certainly be critical of unions while still believing that hiring replacement workers is a bad faith negotiation. My issues with unions have to do union tactics, policies and their transgressions (see CUPE Ontario's president) but basic union rights should still be protected.
Iím not sure what tactics or policies youíre referring to but as far as the transgressions related to the CUPE President in Ontario Iíd like to think that youíre smart enough to to realize that wasnít a Union issue so much as it was a human being making a very poorly thought out stupid comment. Thereís numerous examples of people who have nothing to do with Unions making similar comments. This isnít justifying his comment at all, Iím just pointing out that trying to link it to being somehow influenced by his involvement in a Union is a pretty big stretch.

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Harassing or assaulting a picket line crosser who may be unable to afford a strike is workplace bullying, and unions advocating violence and working to protect the assaulters on scab hunts, I am against. I am also against replacement workers. Both stances can be taken at the same time.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ames-1.6842137

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbu...ling-1.1865067
I missed the part where a Union was advocating for violence. I see no evidence that the Union funded any portion of the criminal defence costs for their members in the second example you provided so Iím not sure how youíve reached the conclusion that they are protecting assaulters in that regard.

As for their wrongful dismissal grievance which Iím assuming youíre trying to claim is ďadvocating violence and protecting assaultersĒ, itís likely the Union was advised by their legal counsel that they had a decent shot at winning a grievance for at least the 2 employees who didnít assault anyone and who also werenít convicted on the criminal harassment charges, and as such the Union had to either proceed with the grievance or risk being taken to court for failing to fairly represent their member.

I think some of your misconceptions may be rooted in not understanding that by law a Union canít arbitrarily refuse to proceed with a grievance just because they disagree with what their member did.

To me the second case you brought up appears to be a case of a small handful(3) of individuals making a decision to do something that for at least one of them was illegal, but there is zero evidence that they were compelled or directed by their Union to do what they did. In fact there was even a Union meeting they should have been attending being held at the time of the incident. As a side note I find it interesting that you appear to only be associating these types of activities to Unions when companies have been found to be guilty of similar intimidation tactics.

In any event this legislation will prevent these types of things from happening during future strikes at federally regulated companies which is certainly a good thing. The second case is also a good argument for why Ontario should also pass similar legislation to amend their provincial labour code. Had it been the law there at the time no one would have been assaulted or lost their jobs, which I think we can both agree would have been a much better outcome for all parties involved.
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I’m not sure what tactics or policies you’re referring to but as far as the transgressions related to the CUPE President in Ontario I’d like to think that you’re smart enough to to realize that wasn’t a Union issue so much as it was a human being making a very poorly thought out stupid comment. There’s numerous examples of people who have nothing to do with Unions making similar comments. This isn’t justifying his comment at all, I’m just pointing out that trying to link it to being somehow influenced by his involvement in a Union is a pretty big stretch.
That he is still the CUPE president despite those comments is all that needs to be stated about union politics. There is currently an ongoing human rights claim against CUPE. And it's not one comment.

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The human rights complaint goes on to describe Hahn’s history of telling members that Jewish people “stole” land from Palestinians and should not live in Israel. It points to CUPE conventions dating back to 2018 that claimed Israel “illegally” occupies land and opposes the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of antisemitism.
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I missed the part where a Union was advocating for violence. I see no evidence that the Union funded any portion of the criminal defence costs for their members in the second example you provided so I’m not sure how you’ve reached the conclusion that they are protecting assaulters in that regard.
Shortened the quote for sake of not making the post longer. I basically just gave an example on why I deplore unions as they exist in Canada, specific to their animosity against scabs / picket line crossers, one incident involving assault. If you look at the details of the incident's it's far worse than the CBC article

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The president of USW Local 6500, the union that represents the workers, said he is shocked and outraged with the decision.

“The three [men] are devastated from this news,” Rick Bertrand said. “We feel differently that they should be getting their jobs back.”
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[Mike French, Jason Patterson (who had served on the negotiating team) and Patrick Vienot (who was vice-president of USW Local 6500 until the spring of 2009)

This does not sound like someone who believes that assault. These also weren't just random union guys as you diminish down as small (3) number of individuals, they were the head of the union. Veinot and Patterson were found not guilty simply because they could not be directly linked to actively participating in the assault or harassment (he said she said situation).

https://www.sudbury.com/police/one-g...rs-case-232732

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Among other things, Chretien's vehicle was vandalized and posters with his picture were put up at his apartment building. This harassment campaign was supposed to have been capped off with a physical confrontation last year, Addario said.

“The problem was, there was nothing to link (French, Veinot and Patterson) to the previous acts,” he said.

“It was somebody else, obviously not acting with the direction of the union, because it's not union policy to engage in illegal acts of harassment of people who choose voluntarily to participate in a lawful strike.”

Veinot and Patterson, currently vice-president and treasurer of Local 6500 respectively, were passengers in French's vehicle during the incident. They did not participate in the altercation.
That you feel you need to feel to defend this incident to this extent just on the basis of unions needing to protect their own, again shows systemic problems with unions as they exist in Canada. Anti-scab legislation eliminates part of the conflicts and is necessary for employment right, but does not resolve integrated issues.

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Hell, at this point I'm mad that I'm never a part of these schemes. Seems like easy, consequence-free money, maybe we're the idiots for not getting in on it
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