[Signing] Avs sign Kylington to 1 yr deal $1.05 mil

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't see why people have to conjure up their own interpretations. We know that Kylington wanted to re-sign here, but his demands involved term. We don't know what the AAV was exactly, or what the term was exactly, but we know that Kylington wanted to stay here, and that the Flames wanted him to stay and tried to re-sign him. Term got in the way. Kylington and his agent stuck to their guns, assuming that the Flames would probably budge on term, but it didn't happen. Conroy went and signed Bean.


After shopping around (one would assume), Colorado's offer was the most tempting.



I don't know why we have to insist that Kylington "Didn't want to be here, so GTFO". I won't be booing him. Why? He wanted to stay here. Seems like he just got bad advice from his agent to me.


He was an easily replaceable asset. I liked Kylington, and at the draft, I thought there was a real chance of him developing into something special. That didn't happen - whether it was from his side, or the Flames' side, or from his time away from the game, he never developed into anything near a core piece, and he is the same age as Andersson. I wish him well, as I have no reason not to. I hope he goes on to do very well and sign a long-term deal that he was looking for. I am glad that it wasn't here, because although the Flames have a very weak defence, they have a tonne of guys coming through soon and will need the space.


Kylington doesn't need to be a hero or a villain. He just bet that the Flames would give him a longer term deal based on how he was before his time off, and how he was after he returned. He bet on himself, and he ended up losing. That's ok. I have no problem with that. Judging by the relatively lousy deal he just signed, it does fit the narrative that we have all been reading over the last month and a half as things slowly started leaking.

[Funkhouser]

Personally, I think Kylington still has some runway in his development.
He has essentially lost 3 years of development (1 due to Flames management, 2 due to mental health issues). He has low milage and great raw tools.

I would not be surprised if he still breaks out and establishes himself as an effective top 4 D man. Excited to see how he does in COL and hope the best for him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Personally, I think Kylington still has some runway in his development.
He has essentially lost 3 years of development (1 due to Flames management, 2 due to mental health issues). He has low milage and great raw tools.

I would not be surprised if he still breaks out and establishes himself as an effective top 4 D man. Excited to see how he does in COL and hope the best for him.

The guy is 27. I get that he's lost a lot of playing time, but that just puts him further behind, with his physical strength and stamina now that of a post mid-career player on average.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Oh, it’s for sure insulting. Imagine acting like an incel over a hockey player? Yeesh. I’d be embarrassed if someone pointed that out.

The insulting factor just wasn’t the reason I chose it. Again, just the closest comparable.

No one gives back handed shots at posters on here with the self-absorption and frequency as this person.

I didn't chose that as an insult by the way....it's just the closest comparable.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Personally, I think Kylington still has some runway in his development.
He has essentially lost 3 years of development (1 due to Flames management, 2 due to mental health issues). He has low milage and great raw tools.

I would not be surprised if he still breaks out and establishes himself as an effective top 4 D man. Excited to see how he does in COL and hope the best for him.

I would not put a year of lost development on the Flames, Oliver sleeps in the bed he makes.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

No one gives back handed shots at posters on here with the self-absorption and frequency as this person.

I didn't chose that as an insult by the way....it's just the closest comparable.

What was the comparable?

[CliffFletcher]

A third-pairing d-man went to UFA, gambled on his value in the market, and lost. No reason to get up in arms about it. But there’s no reason to go out of your way to defend the guy either. In two years he’ll likely be just another former NHLer playing in Europe.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What was the comparable?

I think they compared you to a person.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I think they compared you to a person.

Huge mistake. Not even close.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The guy is 27. I get that he's lost a lot of playing time, but that just puts him further behind, with his physical strength and stamina now that of a post mid-career player on average.

Strength and stamina will be the easiest things for him to catch up on. You could argue he has less miles on the chassis having not gone thru the rigours of a season and a half.

It's the game experience and ability to make reads and react
and expanded hockey sense that he will have a harder time making up. If he makes the Avalanche and plays a full season he will have earned it.

[Bingo]

Kylington's issue (to me) was always his inability to use his boots and the same time he used his hands.

It was always one or the other with few acceptations.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A third-pairing d-man went to UFA, gambled on his value in the market, and lost. No reason to get up in arms about it. But there’s no reason to go out of your way to defend the guy either. In two years he’ll likely be just another former NHLer playing in Europe.

Who is defending him? He gambled that a 4 year deal was on the table and was left with nothing.

We don't know if its true or not, or what the Flames offered. But if the Flames did offer 1 year at 2.5 and he was getting say 4 years at 1.75 or 2 with Washington you can see why he would wait it out? Or why he would ask for another year from the Flames.

Now people are throwing a tantrum over a 6/7 defenceman leaving. And why would anyone boo him? How did he screw the Flames?

The ones crying about it are the same ones who are saying he is a 6/7 defenceman and will be out of the league soon. So who cares. If he sucks that much good chance he wont even be playing when Colorado comes to town.

[GreenLantern2814]

Honestly, that’s a great signing for Colorado and a great landing spot for Kylington.

If that group can’t unlock Kylington’s full potential, he’s just not that good.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Huge mistake. Not even close.

I’ve been saying this for years!!!

/s just in case

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Redlan

I would not put a year of lost development on the Flames, Oliver sleeps in the bed he makes.

During the covid year, the first year Kylington was no longer waiver eligible, Sutter kept him on the taxi squad all season. Treliving/Sutter preferred to fill the D with players like Nesterov, Valimaki & Stone.

This meant that he was only able to play 8 games all season due to the fact the Flames were too scared to lose him to waivers and send him to the AHL, but also too scared to give him the ice time to play on the big squad. This was poor asset management in terms of player development, and it entirely on the shoulders of Treliving/Sutter.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

During the covid year, the first year Kylington was no longer waiver eligible, Sutter kept him on the taxi squad all season. Treliving/Sutter preferred to fill the D with players like Nesterov, Valimaki & Stone.

This meant that he was only able to play 8 games all season due to the fact the Flames were too scared to lose him to waivers and send him to the AHL, but also too scared to give him the ice time to play on the big squad. This was poor asset management in terms of player development, and it entirely on the shoulders of Treliving/Sutter.

What would you do differently if you liked the upside of the player but didn't think he was good enough to be a day to day NHL player at that point?

[Toonage]

Stupid sexy Kylington

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What would you do differently if you liked the upside of the player but didn't think he was good enough to be a day to day NHL player at that point?

Nothing, but there was a group of us at the time who believed that Kylington was likely good enough to be a day-to-day NHL player at that point (especially relative to players like Nesterov and Stone). Now, even with the benefit of hindsight, there's no way to know if we were right or wrong, but I still think there's a decent argument that the Flames should have given Kylington more opportunity sooner.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Huge mistake. Not even close.

Can't you read?


"No one"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Strength and stamina will be the easiest things for him to catch up on. You could argue he has less miles on the chassis having not gone thru the rigours of a season and a half.

It's the game experience and ability to make reads and react
and expanded hockey sense that he will have a harder time making up. If he makes the Avalanche and plays a full season he will have earned it.

As someone who's aged, I can tell you that after a certain point, no matter how few miles you have, you stop developing physically. Or at least it become harder and harder.