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Old 01-20-2021, 05:54 PM   #381
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This is about market share and control by the States, not about the enviroment. If he was so fired up about fossil fuels his executive order would have shut down the California oil fields which are the worst.


Biden is following Obama's playbook in public "Environment" in the back rooms "up the pumping boys"


The former US ambassador Bruce Heyman bought up the key point, hey its not our fault this news sucks for you, we're your only customer.


Strong argument for expanding pipelines to the coast and across Canada to protect our key industry from the American's knee capping us in one move. The American's don't want North America Energy Independence. They want American independence and cash.
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Biden is an idiot and no friend of Canada for not at least giving us the opportunity to make our submissions as to the mutual benefit of KXL for both countries.

It has nothing to do the merits of it, never has. It's been the Democrats "we want to make a big environmental statement that makes our base cheer and think we're serious about the environment, while actually hurting an economic opponent" playtoy.

It's a perfect one, two punch for their country. "We care about the environment!/Smash Canadian Oil = more profit for our Oil!".


Pylon's response to the announcement of Keystone XL's cancellation is exactly what they worked towards and succeeded at. The message is a no win for Albertans or the Canadian economy "If you oppose any anti-Oil initiative, no matter how politically driven or protectionist, you are not for a green future". The US has the money and power to defeat Canada through message and this is a clear example of that.
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Biden is an idiot and no friend of Canada for not at least giving us the opportunity to make our submissions as to the mutual benefit of KXL for both countries.
You mention mutual benefits, but is it really the case?

From an American POV, what are the pros and cons for KXL?

Did Trump approve it because it benefitted the US or because he wanted to go against Obama?
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Being in the car business, I even understand that it's time to move on, and look forward. Yes, a bad oil market hurts my clients income and therefore their ability to buy cars which ultimately pays me. Yes, it means thousands of technicians will lose jobs and ultimately need to completely reboot their training or find a new career. Yes it means we will have to completely retool how we do business..... oh frikking well.

If someone thinks their immediate pay cheque, is more important than the future of this planet, then they are not a good person, and lack critical thinking skills. This is about doing something relatively small now, to fix a catastrophic problem that will unravel over a couple centuries.


Added bonus for me, there will be an absolute car boom in the next 5-10 years, when EV becomes mainstream, and not just for jet setting people living in their resource guzzling mansions to fake their way into being "environmentally conscious".

That being said, and back to the topic on hand, I look forward to Pardonapalooza today, it's going to be interesting to see how much farther Trump goes to tarnish his legacy, if that is even possible. Which he has proven time and time again he has an incredible ability to do.

Probably not great to mention an added bonus and influx of business coming to you personally while proclaiming we need to do something without regard for personal well being.

Also, not in tune with the reality of human nature to conclude that anyone who thinks based on what feeds their families lacks critical thinking skills when that's how most human beings function. Especially when again, you mentioned an incoming bonus for yourself.

If you were out of work tomorrow and didn't know how to feed your family does your position remain consistent? Especially with a decision that has proven to be purely protectionist from a superpower and nothing to do with the environment. Do you speak for all of your friends and coworkers that would be out of work, or are their points of view different?

If you're altruistic and fully understanding of what's happening with the US Oil game, I guess I'll take you at face value, but I do question, for sure. Especially the overly harsh "lacking in critical thinking skills" part when there is a metric tonne of nuance to American Oil dominance in this world and how they succeed.
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Old 01-20-2021, 06:43 PM   #387
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Oil use is what needs to be curbed, the US has convinced everyone that production from everywhere but the US is what needs to be curbed and it was brilliant and successful. There's a reason the democrats approved 10X Keystone XL pipelines in the US last time they held up the approval and knocked it down for the US audience, and started dominating the North American Oil market.

Even CaliFlamesFan and New Era admitted to that late last year when this topic came up (CaliFlamesfan being outspoken against Alberta Oil previously). Be in favour of changing the environment for sure, but don't be naive to what this is.


Oil use reduction is what we need, the US will fill any and all voids they can create through misinformation and war, which doesn't do anything for the environment.

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Times like these!!

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Biden: Hey Justin, I just gave your country the big middle finger on my first day, without even acknowledging you exist. What are you going to do about it? By the way we are friends again.

Justin: Yes sir Biden sir. Err about the pipeline...

Biden: BEST FRIENDS! *click*
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Biden: Hey Justin, I just gave your country the big middle finger on my first day, without even acknowledging you exist. What are you going to do about it? By the way we are friends again.

Justin: Yes sir Biden sir. Err about the pipeline...

Biden: BEST FRIENDS! *click*
That’s not how politics work.
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Why the #### isn't he calling Kenney directly???
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Why the #### isn't he calling Kenney directly???
Guess he's busy
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Why the #### isn't he calling Kenney directly???
Let's be honest, no one really wants to talk to Kenney.
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That’s not how politics work.
The last 4 years say otherwise

It's obviously a hyperbole and it will be diplomatic pleasantries exchanged, but one of Biden's first executive actions was a clear infraction against the USMCA and Canada and he not so much as spoke to Trudeau first, or even waited a day to sign an executive action that was purely political and catering to his own base.

He's lightyears better then what we had in the past 4 years and relations will be much better, but Biden is not a friend.

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