06-23-2018, 09:55 AM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Massive overpayment. 1 year too long 2x money. Clearly a bidding war broke out.
He was ok in the Olympics. Not dominant by any means if you watched the games.
Nigel Dawes has out goal scored him this year in the KHL and was within 6 points overall. Toss in his hot and cold attitude about hockey and its not going to turn out great for the Kings.
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06-23-2018, 09:58 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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and... this is a 35+ contract, is it not?
That complicates things for the Kings as well.
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06-23-2018, 09:58 AM
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#43
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Scoring Winger
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If I could have Kovy on the Flames for that exact contract, I would easily decline.
3 years is a big risk, imo.
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06-23-2018, 09:59 AM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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Paying a 38 year old 6.25M in year 3
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06-23-2018, 10:00 AM
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#45
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by keenan87
No one is stopping the Flames from getting better too.
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Just a few minor things. like nobody wants to play in Calgary anymore. And we seem to be missing opportunities for trades.
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06-23-2018, 10:04 AM
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#46
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
Really annoying that the Kings and Sharks get top interest from all FAs.
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You either hate or love California. High taxes, endless traffic jams, expensive real estate but it has great weather, wonderful attractions, and beautiful scenery.
At the end of the day, it's a free asset that only costs $$$. It's well worth the risk for an established sniper even if he turns out slower than a turtle.
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06-23-2018, 10:05 AM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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"I see as much misery out of them moving to justify theirselves as them that set out to do harm."
-Dr. Amos "Doc" Cochran
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06-23-2018, 10:09 AM
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#48
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
Great place to live if you've got money.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Is it though?
I absolutely hated it.
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Did you have money?
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06-23-2018, 10:10 AM
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#49
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
He will officially sign on July 1st, but they have announced they have agreed to terms.
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I thought you weren't allowed to discuss specific terms with a UFA before July 1? Or are they allowed to since he didn't play with another NHL team last year?
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06-23-2018, 10:13 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnhitbox
Just a few minor things. like nobody wants to play in Calgary anymore. And we seem to be missing opportunities for trades.
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We don't know that. The Flames had every opportunity to pick up Kane but the Flames would rather have "character" players. Whatever that means.
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06-23-2018, 10:14 AM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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When it comes to the Flames, the general consensus is that you can't build teams by spending huge dollars on aging players in free agency.
When other teams do it: the rich get richer... so jelly... hate that players don't want to come here.
Personally, I am glad that the Flames are not the ones paying him $18.75M over the next 3 years, on a 35+ contract that they can't get out of.
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06-23-2018, 10:15 AM
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#52
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
goddam it. why did it have to be the Kings.
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Snakes. Why does it always have to be snakes?
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06-23-2018, 10:25 AM
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#53
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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I'm obviously in the minority here... I don't think there's anything wrong with that contract. I wish he'd have signed here for that.
I expect he'll average 25-30 goals over those 3 years.
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06-23-2018, 10:26 AM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by keenan87
We don't know that. The Flames had every opportunity to pick up Kane but the Flames would rather have "character" players. Whatever that means.
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What the hell are you talking about...Kane was traded for picks the Flames didn't have. Also he has been given a terrible contract, like this one.
Kings aren't even a good team...they are old, slow, and capped out
Mediocre at best
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06-23-2018, 10:27 AM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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160 goals for Dawes and 120 for Kovalchuk over last 5 seasons in the KHL.
262 games Kovalchuk 274 for Dawes.
260 points for Dawes vs 289 for Kovalchuk.
In those 5 years, the team Kovalchuk played for won the KHL championship twice, lost in the final another year.
Dawes team won 2 playoff rounds total and were out of the playoffs twice.
So stats are a pretty good trend, Kovalchuk clearly on a better team. Dawes 2 years younger too.
If someone today offered Nigel Dawes 3 years at 5.90m as a contract which reflects the relative stats vs Kovalchuk over the past 5 seasons, they would be called the worst GM in history.
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06-23-2018, 10:28 AM
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#56
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by browna
160 goals for Dawes and 120 for Kovalchuk over last 5 seasons in the KHL.
262 games Kovalchuk 274 for Dawes.
260 points for Dawes vs 289 for Kovalchuk.
In those 5 years, the team Kovalchuk played for won the KHL championship twice, lost in the final another year.
Dawes team won 2 playoff rounds total and were out of the playoffs twice.
So stats are a pretty good trend, Kovalchuk clearly on a better team. Dawes 2 years younger too.
If someone today offered Nigel Dawes 3 years at 5.90m as a contract which reflects the relative stats vs Kovalchuk over the past 5 seasons, they would be called the worst GM in history.
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So you are saying "Bring back Nigel Dawes!"
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06-23-2018, 10:30 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by browna
160 goals for Dawes and 120 for Kovalchuk over last 5 seasons in the KHL.
262 games Kovalchuk 274 for Dawes.
260 points for Dawes vs 289 for Kovalchuk.
In those 5 years, the team Kovalchuk played for won the KHL championship twice, lost in the final another year.
Dawes team won 2 playoff rounds total and were out of the playoffs twice.
So stats are a pretty good trend, Kovalchuk clearly on a better team. Dawes 2 years younger too.
If someone today offered Nigel Dawes 3 years at 5.90m as a contract which reflects the relative stats vs Kovalchuk over the past 5 seasons, they would be called the worst GM in history.
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this.
way too much money for a 35 year old that's been out of the NHL for years
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06-23-2018, 10:32 AM
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#58
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fonz
I'm obviously in the minority here... I don't think there's anything wrong with that contract. I wish he'd have signed here for that.
I expect he'll average 25-30 goals over those 3 years.
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What 35-38 year old in the NHL averages 25-30 goals these days?
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06-23-2018, 10:36 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
What 35-38 year old in the NHL averages 25-30 goals these days?
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Marleau does. I expect kovalchuk to as well.
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06-23-2018, 10:36 AM
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#60
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Quote:
Originally Posted by browna
160 goals for Dawes and 120 for Kovalchuk over last 5 seasons in the KHL.
262 games Kovalchuk 274 for Dawes.
260 points for Dawes vs 289 for Kovalchuk.
In those 5 years, the team Kovalchuk played for won the KHL championship twice, lost in the final another year.
Dawes team won 2 playoff rounds total and were out of the playoffs twice.
So stats are a pretty good trend, Kovalchuk clearly on a better team. Dawes 2 years younger too.
If someone today offered Nigel Dawes 3 years at 5.90m as a contract which reflects the relative stats vs Kovalchuk over the past 5 seasons, they would be called the worst GM in history.
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It's not at all comparable though. Kovalchuk has shown that he is an elite scorer at the NHL level, while Dawes has shown to be no more than an AHL/NHL tweener. It's irrelevant how similar their stats are in a lesser league.
Roman Cervenka and Artemi Panarin put up nearly identical stats in 2013/14 while both playing for St. Petersburg SKA, and much like Kovalchuk and Dawes, Panarin has shown to be an elite player in the NHL while Cervenka didn't appear to be anything more than a tweener.
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