[News] Tij Iginla selected ninth overall by Seattle in WHL Draft

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

With the Flames in the 8th OA spot now, I'm getting more and more excited about the suddenly very real possibility of drafting Tij...which feels like setting up for disappointment, as I just have this feeling Conroy ultimately won't do it.

I totally get the argument if Flames stay in a top 10 pick that going D or C would make more sense. But man that would hurt passing on Tij, especially if he turns into a star. I hope they take him.

Isn't this the type of attitude that Flames fans have made fun of Oilers fans for years? Keep bringing in old players to run the team and now their kids.

If Iginla is BPA, great. Otherwise, pick BPA.

[ForeverFlameFan]

If Calgary continues to increase their draft spot, Tij isn’t on the board for me. Figure out a trade with NJ to grab their pick and try to move up to draft Tij. Imo, our own pick should be used for a top end center or D prospect.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Isn't this the type of attitude that Flames fans have made fun of Oilers fans for years? Keep bringing in old players to run the team and now their kids.



If Iginla is BPA, great. Otherwise, pick BPA.

I mean, I'd argue the difference is Tij is actually slated to be a top 10-15 pick. Pretty sure McTavish / Lowe and those other hosers weren't seen as top level front office prospects around the league.

Like I said, I get the mentality of going C / D in that spot, and it's probably what's going to happen. I just think we're in for a few lean seasons until the new barn opens, having an Iginla in the system will certainly help keep up the excitement level in the fan-base during that time.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Isn't this the type of attitude that Flames fans have made fun of Oilers fans for years? Keep bringing in old players to run the team and now their kids.

If Iginla is BPA, great. Otherwise, pick BPA.

I think if it's close, you go with Iginla. It's also about selling tickets and a new building with a star Iginla on the roster has to be pretty intriguing.

I remember reading an article a little while ago (can't find it) how the Devils had Kent Johnson ranked higher but it was close and Luke was available. Due to the intangibles (keeping your fans happy, keeping your star happy) they made the call to go for Luke. I don't think you can argue with that one today.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I think if it's close, you go with Iginla. It's also about selling tickets and a new building with a star Iginla on the roster has to be pretty intriguing.

I remember reading an article a little while ago (can't find it) how the Devils had Kent Johnson ranked higher but it was close and Luke was available. Due to the intangibles (keeping your fans happy, keeping your star happy) they made the call to go for Luke. I don't think you can argue with that one today.

The best way to sell tickets is to have a Stanley cup contending team.

Little easier to skip Johnson when you all ready have a good young 1-2 punch down the middle. Also D was a pretty big need for jersey.

I would love for them to draft Iggy jr but for me that has to be around the 10-11 spot. If flames are drafting in the 6-7 range I don’t think iggy jr should be in the conversation. To many great d prospects and a couple of centres that could be on the board at that point. The only winger I would take in top 9 is the Russian.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Groot

I would be fine with the Flames drafting Tij if they are drafting around where he's ranked, but to play devils advocate for a second, how many elite NHL players then had a son go on to have an elite career? I think it's a very small list. So parental tutelage from an elite NHL'er doesn’t seem to be too much of a factor. And every scout/analyst also is well-aware of who Tij's Dad is, yet it hasn't vaulted him into a sure-fire top-10 pick.

Bobby Hull
Gordie Howe
Keith Tkachuk
Paul Reinhart

Thomas Steen
JP Parise
Peter Stastny

[Groot]

Originally Posted by troutman

Bobby Hull
Gordie Howe
Keith Tkachuk
Paul Reinhart

Exactly. A very small list. 2 of Reinhart's kids did not pan out. Imagine Tij turned into Griffin? Oof.

[BigThief]

Full faith in this nepo baby. If Tij has the same drive and determination his dad does it's a pick I full believe it. He also seems to be a bit of a riser in the last month

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Groot

Exactly. A very small list. 2 of Reinhart's kids did not pan out. Imagine Tij turned into Griffin? Oof.

Interesting that you looked at that list of data and thought it proved your point.

Chances of making the nhl from minor hockey is 1 in 4000. There have been 300 players make the HOF out of the roughly 7500 players to have ever played the game (4%). In 2022 6.1% of the NHL had a father who had played before in the league.

The fact that we can roll off a few names easily is likely showing that Tij has a better shot of out performing his dad, than someone with identical stat's and being the first in his family to get this far.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I think if it's close, you go with Iginla. It's also about selling tickets and a new building with a star Iginla on the roster has to be pretty intriguing.

I remember reading an article a little while ago (can't find it) how the Devils had Kent Johnson ranked higher but it was close and Luke was available. Due to the intangibles (keeping your fans happy, keeping your star happy) they made the call to go for Luke. I don't think you can argue with that one today.

You could argue the opposite that if it’s close you don’t put that pressure on him. Tough position for the flames to be honest, emotion can’t play any part of this decision.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Interesting that you looked at that list of data and thought it proved your point.

Chances of making the nhl from minor hockey is 1 in 4000. There have been 300 players make the HOF out of the roughly 7500 players to have ever played the game (4%). In 2022 6.1% of the NHL had a father who had played before in the league.

The fact that we can roll off a few names easily is likely showing that Tij has a better shot of out performing his dad, than someone with identical stat's and being the first in his family to get this far.

Man, writing that first sentence and following it up with the rest is super funny. I don’t have a horse in the race (happy to draft Tij, happy to draft someone else just as much) but those numbers absolutely do not say anything close to what you think they say lol.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Man, writing that first sentence and following it up with the rest is super funny. I don’t have a horse in the race (happy to draft Tij, happy to draft someone else just as much) but those numbers absolutely do not say anything close to what you think they say lol.

Agree with you, it's definitely not a complete and definitive data set.

[SilverKast]

Originally Posted by troutman

Bobby Hull
Gordie Howe
Keith Tkachuk
Paul Reinhart

Can add Nylander in there too, although he had one that turned out really well and the other not so much so far.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Interesting that you looked at that list of data and thought it proved your point.

Chances of making the nhl from minor hockey is 1 in 4000. There have been 300 players make the HOF out of the roughly 7500 players to have ever played the game (4%). In 2022 6.1% of the NHL had a father who had played before in the league.

The fact that we can roll off a few names easily is likely showing that Tij has a better shot of out performing his dad, than someone with identical stat's and being the first in his family to get this far.

I agree and whether his dad is a hall of famer or not, I think the most intriguing thing about him is the year-o-ver-year improvement in his game and upward trajectory he seems to be on. Those types of players are often set up for success.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I think if it's close, you go with Iginla. It's also about selling tickets and a new building with a star Iginla on the roster has to be pretty intriguing.

I remember reading an article a little while ago (can't find it) how the Devils had Kent Johnson ranked higher but it was close and Luke was available. Due to the intangibles (keeping your fans happy, keeping your star happy) they made the call to go for Luke. I don't think you can argue with that one today.

I would consider expanding on having Marc Savard as coach and add a few more ex flames on the coaching staff for the same reason. Hard to quantify the positive effect having an ex flame like Savard has had on the fan base.

[SilverKast]

I also just want to hear the Iggy chant in the dome again.

Oi Oi Oi!

[TheChief]

What if Iginla Tkachuks us down the line? Would that sour your feelings on his dad.

[TheChief]

As a fan, Id love another Iginla. As a dad, I would rather my son play for 30 other teams. (no oilers of course)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I agree and whether his dad is a hall of famer or not, I think the most intriguing thing about him is the year-o-ver-year improvement in his game and upward trajectory he seems to be on. Those types of players are often set up for success.

This is a valid argument and the same thing happen to his Pops except that it happened in his D+1 season.
Trajectory of development is important.
And to be clear, if the Flames think he's the best player at their spot - by all means draft him. Just don't elevate him on your list because of his name.

[Enoch Root]

I think that lineage is an advantage for sure. Tkachuk grew up around NHLers, and absorbed a lot of their hockey wisdom. It's why his hockey IQ is elite.

I would say the exact same thing about Vaddy Jr. and Bichette.

But the problem I have with this debate, and with TrentCrimm's arguments in particular, is taking this fact, and applying it in absolute terms, without nuance.

Is it an advantage? Yes, often. Is it always an advantage? No, there are far too many variables here, including and especially, personalities.

So to say: "we should draft Iggy, because lineage" is just not a valid argument, even though the premise (that lineage can be an advantage) may have some validity.

It's the conclusions that are usually a problem: people take something - a fact like this, or a comment from Friedman, or whatever - and draw conclusions that aren't warranted. There is a lot more grey in teh world, than there is black and white.