[Signing] Canes sign de Haan (4 yrs, $4.55 mil AAV)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

De Haan 4.45 x 4 Hamonic 3.9 x 3


1st and a couple of 2nds for .55 x 3 of salary certainty.

Were those players acquired in the same off season? Did De Haan want to come here
Come on man
This is pretty much trolling
We give you a lot of rope here.
Give it a rest

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

De Haan 4.45 x 4 Hamonic 3.9 x 3


1st and a couple of 2nds for .55 x 3 of salary certainty.

Hamonic as a UFA today gets 5M plus easy.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

De Haan 4.45 x 4 Hamonic 3.9 x 3


1st and a couple of 2nds for .55 x 3 of salary certainty.

Actually, Hamonic's contract was $3,857,143 x 7. He has two more seasons left. That means his contract was signed 4 seasons ago. Cap has gone up, thus allowing higher aav contracts to be handed out. De Haan is a benefactor of that. I'm sure if Hamonic signed today too his AAV would be higher.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That is the best blue line in the NHL.

You shouldn't tie up that much money on the back end. You need people to score goals. There are lots of guys who can defend reasonably well. Fewer can score.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That is the best blue line in the NHL.

Preds

[1Nite]

The money seems a bit high, but it is a UFA contract, don't know much about him, but looking at his +/- the last couple of seasons +15 and +11, it's pretty good especially compared to some of his teammates, Leddy was -42, I know that's not the best judge of a player but it has to be some telling of how good he is.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Doesn’t Carolina still have Trevor Van Riemsdyk too? As well as Carrick and McKeown who are also pretty young. Lots of depth. I think that pretty much pushes Faulk out. Van Riemsdyk is a cheaper option as #6. Forward trade is definitely on the way.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Were those players acquired in the same off season? Did De Haan want to come here
Come on man
This is pretty much trolling
We give you a lot of rope here.
Give it a rest

My point was that this signing make the Hamonic trade look even worse than it was assumed.

The trade supporters pointed to the great deal that the Flames got with the Hamonic low cost cap.

This turns out to be false.

There is not a closer comparable than de Haan and Hamonic. They played on the same team in the same system and played the same role.


Hamonic's salary is really close to what de Hann got as a UFA. The cap increased 6%. Hamonic's salary that the Flames thought was so good , adjusted to the new cap was 4.089 M

I have no problem with Hamonic or his salary. It is really close to what what is the standard for his caliber of player as a UFA.


I sure am missing the the first and 2 seconds the Flames had to give up to get him.

I do not believe that Calgary is such a bad place for UFA's (see Neal and Ryan) that the Flames have to resort to giving up assets to stock their roster... it was a HUGE mistake to do so.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt

Doesn’t Carolina still have Trevor Van Riemsdyk too? As well as Carrick and McKeown who are also pretty young. Lots of depth. I think that pretty much pushes Faulk out. Van Riemsdyk is a cheaper option as #6. Forward trade is definitely on the way.

van Riemsdyk is UFA, but they have Fleury and obviously Bean in the pipeline. I'd expect them to try and flip either Faulk or Fleury for a forward at some point too, seems inevitable.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by devo22

van Riemsdyk is UFA, but they have Fleury and obviously Bean in the pipeline. I'd expect them to try and flip either Faulk or Fleury for a forward at some point too, seems inevitable.

Yeah they are in a great position to do so. I know most of us are Flames fans, but I like when trades work for both teams. Carolina has done a great job this offseason.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

My point was that this signing make the Hamonic trade look even worse than it was assumed.

The trade supporters pointed to the great deal that the Flames got with the Hamonic low cost cap.

This turns out to be false.

There is not a closer comparable than de Haan and Hamonic. They played on the same team in the same system and played the same role.


Hamonic's salary is really close to what de Hann got as a UFA. The cap increased 6%. Hamonic's salary that the Flames thought was so good , adjusted to the new cap was 4.089 M

I have no problem with Hamonic or his salary. It is really close to what what is the standard for his caliber of player as a UFA.


I sure am missing the the first and 2 seconds the Flames had to give up to get him.

I do not believe that Calgary is such a bad place for UFA's (see Neal and Ryan) that the Flames have to resort to giving up assets to stock their roster... it was a HUGE mistake to do so.

Come on man. I don’t like the Hamonic trade either but finding a UFA signing from a year later to criticize it is a reach.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

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Hamonic's salary is really close to what de Hann got as a UFA. The cap increased 6%. Hamonic's salary that the Flames thought was so good , adjusted to the new cap was 4.089 M

Except Hamonic's salary is an even smaller percentage of the new cap, so it's an even better deal now than it was when he was acquired.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

My point was that this signing make the Hamonic trade look even worse than it was assumed.

Why is that a point you think you need to make in this thread? Now that Dougie Hamilton is traded can we look forward to you trying to de-rail every thread to make it about Travis Hamonic

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The trade supporters pointed to the great deal that the Flames got with the Hamonic low cost cap.

This turns out to be false.

Based on a sample size of one player, under very different circumstances, who signed as a free agent a year later? Ok.

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is not a closer comparable than de Haan and Hamonic. They played on the same team in the same system and played the same role.

Hamonic's salary is really close to what de Hann got as a UFA. The cap increased 6%. Hamonic's salary that the Flames thought was so good , adjusted to the new cap was 4.089 M

I have no problem with Hamonic or his salary. It is really close to what what is the standard for his caliber of player as a UFA.


I sure am missing the the first and 2 seconds the Flames had to give up to get him.

I do not believe that Calgary is such a bad place for UFA's (see Neal and Ryan) that the Flames have to resort to giving up assets to stock their roster... it was a HUGE mistake to do so.

OK there are many people that don't like the Hamonic deal. This isn't exactly a hot take, just yet another thread you are de-railing.

[Swayze11]

My big pet peeve is when people just assume its NHL 19 Be a GM mode where if we offered 4.56M a season we would have got him.

Its a two way street. He has to want to come here.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You shouldn't tie up that much money on the back end. You need people to score goals. There are lots of guys who can defend reasonably well. Fewer can score.

You sort of have to maximize your strengths. As someone else noted, the only other blue line that really compares here is the Preds, who had the same issue with a lack of forward talent for a long time. If you try to sign scorers in the UFA market you're likely to end up with a bunch of over the hill players on bad contracts. Those players are going to have to be had through the draft (which, well, they have Svechnikov) or through trading from a position of strength, which the Canes now have. We'll see what they do with it.

The Hurricanes' problem has been fairly poor drafting, combined with the inability to develop a goalie. They've tried to patch those holes by using others' development programs (Darling and Teravainen), but those sorts of reclamation projects are a bit of a crapshoot in terms of getting really high-end players, as they've found.

Plus, they seem to have about 15 million in cap space and very few RFAs to sign, so apparently they can actually spend that amount of money and have enough left over for some forward upgrades. There's just no one worth spending it on right now. You could give a big one-year overpay to a guy like Tyler Ennis, but other than that, save your space for when there's an opportunity to use it. Which, it sounds like Dundon isn't exactly opening his wallet up anyway, so they probably will.

[ricardodw]

Chris Kane predicted on May 25 that:

de Haan 1yr @ $1,674,697

I guess his model was worried about his shoulder

[AC]

Or this prediction model is garbage.

[Knut]

It’s just lazy to go in alphabetical order when picking the player you irrationally hate Ricardow

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Were those players acquired in the same off season? Did De Haan want to come here
Come on man
This is pretty much trolling
We give you a lot of rope here.
Give it a rest

Genuine question: Why give him any rope?

Has he ever added anything to CP? He knows how to de-rail threads and thats the main purpose of any of his posts

He's posted these Chris Kane predictions in several threads already this morning, which are so bad and meaningless that they're even more laughable than ricardos GRIT index

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Wood

He's posted these Chris Kane predictions in several threads already this morning, which are so bad and meaningless that they're even more laughable than ricardos GRIT index

Nope.

Nothing can save the GRIT index from rock bottom.

Not Chris Kane. Nothing.