07-02-2018, 06:18 PM
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#41
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by goflamesgo18
Ok well wait and see how much better the return is than that. See how many teams are willing to give up their 'Tkachuk's' for an aging, expensive, injury prone defenceman.
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I don't even know what to say to this.
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07-02-2018, 06:46 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by goflamesgo18
Sorry I didnt do my research on injuries. Just heard hes had major injury issues in past. But he’s not young and just cause Doughty is getting 11 per doesnt mean he is cheap. Lots of teams that are contenders would have to dump unwanted cap to get him.
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You were already wrong about injuries and are wrong anout him being. "Old" he's just hitting his prime
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07-02-2018, 06:54 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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I think that the Flames might be a possible destination.
Brodie + Stone + Bennett + 1st in 2019 for Karlsson would not be a bad return for the Sens. The Flames could then sign De Haan or something for depth purposes.
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07-02-2018, 06:56 PM
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#44
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In the Sin Bin
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A 3/4 D, a 6 D a third liner and a first rounder? Yeah, there are teams that would beat that easily.
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07-02-2018, 07:02 PM
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#45
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Nachodamus.
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And this is why we don't use HF to form our hockey opinions. AT ALL.
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07-02-2018, 07:09 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Because of the way the CBA is written, no team other than the Senators can give Karlsson an 8-year extension until after the next trade deadline.
He would either have to wait until then to sign for 8; sign for 7 with a team that trades for him; or have a handshake deal with the Sens to sign an 8-year extension and immediately get traded.
A sign & trade would likely get a slightly better return for the Sens, so they'd likely be willing to do it.
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07-02-2018, 07:14 PM
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#47
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
A 3/4 D, a 6 D a third liner and a first rounder? Yeah, there are teams that would beat that easily.
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Calling Stone a 6th D is really undeserved in my opinion. Two years ago Stone and Brodie formed a good 2nd pairing on a team that made the playoffs. Being paired with Stone was the best Brodie has looked in 3 years (no idea why GG never tried that again... but that's another story). Stone also ably played top 4 in Arizona before that. Few teams can offer Ottawa a full 2nd pairing in trade. Brodie + Stone is worth more than you're insinuating.
I'm not saying the offer you quoted is enough either, but probably closer to doable for the Sens. If that was the offer for Karlsson plus Bobby Ryan, then I'd say the Flames are overpaying. Something like Brodie, Stone, Bennett, 2019 1st for Karlsson, Ryan, 2019 3rd might work for the Sens.
Edit: also, that offer won't work for the Flames Cap, so it probably can't happen anyway.
Last edited by mikephoen; 07-02-2018 at 07:17 PM.
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07-02-2018, 07:48 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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If we're serious about this as a fan base, then we have to be ok with talking tkachuk.
Tkachuk+stone+brouwer+1st 2019 for Karlsson resigned.
I wouldn't do it but it's interesting to consider.
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07-02-2018, 07:51 PM
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#49
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
If we're serious about this as a fan base, then we have to be ok with talking tkachuk.
Tkachuk+stone+brouwer+1st 2019 for Karlsson resigned.
I wouldn't do it but it's interesting to consider.
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Hmmmmmm ya thats gunna be a no from me dawg. Its not even interesting to consider tbh. There is no way i would be okay with trading tkachuk
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07-02-2018, 07:54 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesNation23
Hmmmmmm ya thats gunna be a no from me dawg. Its not even interesting to consider tbh. There is no way i would be okay with trading tkachuk
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Fair enough. I dont think I'd trade him either but theres no way the sens touch a deal without him in it!
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07-02-2018, 07:58 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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This may not be a popular opinion but I don't think Karlsson is worth it, not to the Flames anyway. If I was going to add anyone (in the same sort of situation) I'd add Brobovsky or Seguin or Kucherov or someone else. I know most of those guys, if not all of them, will be locked up by their current teams but if I was able to spend the same assets on a player it would be either a goalie or forward.
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07-02-2018, 08:06 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Poe969
This may not be a popular opinion but I don't think Karlsson is worth it, not to the Flames anyway. If I was going to add anyone (in the same sort of situation) I'd add Brobovsky or Seguin or Kucherov or someone else. I know most of those guys, if not all of them, will be locked up by their current teams but if I was able to spend the same assets on a player it would be either a goalie or forward.
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If you can add the best defenceman of the generation, you do it and then trade one of your other defenceman for a forward or a goaltender. The guy is only 28 and IMO he's already a lock for the hall of fame.
Not that I think he has any interest in coming to Calgary in the first place. But if he did, do whatever to get him.
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07-02-2018, 08:10 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Assume the Sens would want Tkachuk or Monahan in return +. No thanks our blueline is fine.
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07-02-2018, 08:11 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Yea I wouldn't love the idea of trading for him. But as a free agent? Yes plz.
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07-02-2018, 08:14 PM
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#55
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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I could see a team like Philly being a dark horse and offering Patrick and a 1st for him. He would do damn good for that team.
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07-02-2018, 10:13 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
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If vegas is only one who is willing to take Ryan's contract, and its not a bad move for them he can replace perron in some capacity, i think he goes there
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07-02-2018, 10:54 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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If a team were able to work out an extension for Karlsson prior, then you an pretty much guarantee the haul for the Sens will be extensive. They will want a 1st, a blue chip prospect, and probably a blue chip young player.
So for Flames, you'd have to imagine it'd be something like 2019 1st, Valimaki, and Tkachuk. And even then, you'll probably get competing offers with other teams.
Doesn't make sense for the Flames to give up so much when they're not that deep prospect wise.
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07-02-2018, 11:01 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by codynw
The Doughty deal would be incredible for Karlsson. I'd have to think he'd get a little more though.
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I would rather have Doughty
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07-02-2018, 11:26 PM
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#59
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#1 Goaltender
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This is what I would want if I was Ottawa's GM:
Hanafin
Stone
Jankowski or Bennett
2019 1st round pick
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