01-30-2017, 03:18 PM
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#1181
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Parallex
2016 Pearce: 136 wRC+, 2.0 fWAR, .288/.374/.492
2016 Moss: 105 wRC+, 1.4 fWAR, .233/.315/.450
... that's how.
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Sometimes you should look into what makes up the stat before just putting it out there. Pearce is a career platooner who gets sheltered at bats against left handing pitching. While Pearce may better fit the Jays needs, Brandon Moss is an everyday starter and doesn't get the favourable matchup in most of ABs.
If Pearce faced a steady diet of right handed pitching, his stats would be nowhere near what you just posted. The fact he's getting paid the same as Moss is rather ridiculous historically, but this offseason MLB doesn't seem to be willing to pay for power at all.
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01-30-2017, 03:40 PM
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#1182
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
Sometimes you should look into what makes up the stat before just putting it out there. Pearce is a career platooner who gets sheltered at bats against left handing pitching. While Pearce may better fit the Jays needs, Brandon Moss is an everyday starter and doesn't get the favourable matchup in most of ABs.
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You sure you want to go down that rabbit hole?... okey...
2016 Steve Pearce Platoon Split:
Vs. LHB: 176 wRC+, .317/.411/.622
Vs. RHB: 118 wRC+, .275/.357/.434
So yeah... he does hit better against LHB. But he destroys LHB... he's basically Mike Trout against them whereas he's merely above average against RHB. As far as "favourable matchup" go 31% of his plate appearances were against LHB.
Now how about Moss...
Vs. LHB: 78 wRC+, .232/.289/.375
Vs. RHB: 114 wRC+, .223/.303/.525
Heyo, what do you know... Brandon Moss Also has a pronounced platoon split. Except that Steve Pearce was better against his weaker side then Moss was against his own strong side. Oh... and the % of the time that Moss faced RHP (AKA the strong side of his platoon)? 74%
So in conclusion... Steve Pearce: Significantly better then Brandon Moss.
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01-30-2017, 03:52 PM
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#1183
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex
You sure you want to go down that rabbit hole?... okey...
2016 Steve Pearce Platoon Split:
Vs. LHB: 176 wRC+, .317/.411/.622
Vs. RHB: 118 wRC+, .275/.357/.434
So yeah... he does hit better against LHB. But he destroys LHB... he's basically Mike Trout against them whereas he's merely above average against RHB. As far as "favourable matchup" go 31% of his plate appearances were against LHB.
Now how about Moss...
Vs. LHB: 78 wRC+, .232/.289/.375
Vs. RHB: 114 wRC+, .223/.303/.525
Heyo, what do you know... Brandon Moss Also has a pronounced platoon split. Except that Steve Pearce was better against his weaker side then Moss was against his own strong side. Oh... and the % of the time that Moss faced RHP (AKA the strong side of his platoon)? 74%
So in conclusion... Steve Pearce: Significantly better then Brandon Moss.
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Yeah I do. You are cherry picking a one year career year of Steve Pearce. Over their career, their .BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS stats are essentially identical with two huge differences. 1) Moss has been a career starter with the grind that goes along with that and doesn't get the advantage of facing hand-picked pitching matchups, and 2) Moss has an big power element.
While I'm happy with the acquisition of Pearce and I think he fits what the Jays need, I'm quite shocked that he's getting paid as much as a guy like Moss who is a more proven/every day commodity. That said, it makes me pretty angry that we could have a guy like Moss playing 1B for pretty close to the money we are paying Smoak. I can't understand that extension for the life of me.
Last edited by TheAlpineOracle; 01-30-2017 at 03:54 PM.
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01-30-2017, 04:06 PM
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#1184
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
Yeah I do. You are cherry picking a one year career year of Steve Pearce.
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No, I'm picking last year... y'know the year that tends to be the most important when determining your next salary.
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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
1) Moss has been a career starter with the grind that goes along with that and doesn't get the advantage of facing hand-picked pitching matchups
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... you didn't bother reading what I wrote did you? Moss was more sheltered against his weak side then Pearce was against his.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
and 2) Moss has an big power element.
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That's not a difference that's a commonality
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
I'm quite shocked that he's getting paid as much as a guy like Moss who is a more proven/every day commodity.
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He's not a good everyday commodity. He'd be a good platoon option... but as an everyday guy not what you want and certainly not worth as much or more then Pearce.
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01-30-2017, 04:16 PM
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#1185
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Franchise Player
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But we can all agree we hate Smoak right?
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01-30-2017, 04:21 PM
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#1186
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason14h
But we can all agree we hate Smoak right?
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Definitely.
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01-30-2017, 04:22 PM
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#1187
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason14h
But we can all agree we hate Smoak right?
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That's the thing that brings us all together.
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01-30-2017, 04:50 PM
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#1188
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex
That's the thing that brings us all together.
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We've lost Thole in that regard.
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01-30-2017, 06:29 PM
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#1189
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason14h
But we can all agree we hate Smoak right?
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No, his 4 letter last name saves Rogers money on jersey name bars! This is important to a corporation that counts every nickel!
Granted you'd think spending 4 million dollars for a sub 700 OPS guy who would sttike out 350 times prorated over a full season would matter more.
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01-30-2017, 06:43 PM
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#1190
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
No, his 4 letter last name saves Rogers money on jersey name bars! This is important to a corporation that counts every nickel!
Granted you'd think spending 4 million dollars for a sub 700 OPS guy who would sttike out 350 times prorated over a full season would matter more.
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You lose at counting.
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01-30-2017, 07:00 PM
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#1191
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
No, his 4 letter last name saves Rogers money on jersey name bars! This is important to a corporation that counts every nickel!
Granted you'd think spending 4 million dollars for a sub 700 OPS guy who would sttike out 350 times prorated over a full season would matter more.
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That's only almost two k is per game. Money well spent.
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01-31-2017, 05:25 PM
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#1193
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex
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$3m
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01-31-2017, 05:35 PM
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#1194
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Average FB for JP Howell was 85.3 mph last year, 85.7 for career. Also throws curve/change. One description: Mark Buehrle out of the bullpen</p>— Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi)
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59% ground ball ratio too.
$3m seems like a lot, but still cheaper than Blevins.
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01-31-2017, 05:54 PM
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#1195
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JTech780
59% ground ball ratio too.
$3m seems like a lot, but still cheaper than Blevins.
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Yeah, Shi made a really bad comp there... the only thing they have in common is handedness. Howell's fastball is a sinker Hense the great GB numbers. I love having a sinker baller in the pen... a guy you can bring in to get a double play ball is situationally very valuable. Should work our fine with our excellent infield defense.
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01-31-2017, 06:01 PM
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#1196
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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No more Barry apparently.
Barry Davis @BarryDavis_
You will no longer find me on #bluejays broadcasts. I'm pursuing new and exciting opportunities. Stay tuned, New handle is @BarryDavis_
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01-31-2017, 06:03 PM
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#1197
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Lifetime Suspension
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Pete Walker said an interview that they are going to strech out Biagini in the preseason just in case of injury to a starter. I hope they aren't thinking about moving Liriano to the pen. I'm looking forward to what he can bring for a full season with Martin catching him.
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01-31-2017, 08:23 PM
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#1198
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
No more Barry apparently.
Barry Davis @BarryDavis_
You will no longer find me on #bluejays broadcasts. I'm pursuing new and exciting opportunities. Stay tuned, New handle is @BarryDavis_
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Damn, when the guy was younger he was such a twit. As the little guy grew older I became fond of him. Sounds like he was let go from Rogers (probably due to cost cutting of some sort). Kinda sucks.
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01-31-2017, 08:29 PM
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#1199
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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@BuffaloBisons: #BlueJays sign slick-fielding Jonathan Diaz. http://atmilb.com/2kRwhYZ
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01-31-2017, 08:30 PM
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#1200
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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@ShiDavidi: Average FB for JP Howell was 85.3 mph last year, 85.7 for career. Also throws curve/change. One description: Mark Buehrle out of the bullpen
@ShiDavidi: JP Howell's groundball percentage last year was 59.1 per cent.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Howell deal with #BlueJays in $3M range. Team still looking for RHR at similar price. No recent talks with #WhiteSox on Robertson.
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