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Old 07-18-2018, 11:36 AM   #11541
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Surprisingly her Facebook page is still up. Looks like a bunch of MAGA cult members have flocked to the page to try and defend her. She's not a spy! She's just an innocent pro-gun political activist caught up in the fake news witch hunt!

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Old 07-18-2018, 11:36 AM   #11542
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Waiting in a line and filling out forms does not imply solid knowledge of what's going on in the world or being a critical thinker.
I've voted absentee before, because I was going to be out of town on election day. Having the form at home gave me the time to research the candidates and determine which candidates best represented my interests and values. I wasn't forced to make a quick decision because there were plenty of people waiting in line behind me.

If anything, longer voting time allows people to better research their representatives. We file our taxes by mail--why can't we also vote by mail? We also file our taxes via the internet--why can't we vote via the internet?


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You bring up a great point. But I think it might be the wrong point in this context.

Your assertion is that we would be adding in uninformed voters which really doesn't make for better outcomes. I would counter with the assertion that we already allow plenty of uninformed voters and that the issue brought up is that those voters have a particular slant due to the aforementioned issues of who gets disproportionately left out.

To your point on an engaged electorate, I am not sure there is a way to implement basic aptitude checks without quickly devolving into shady practices. We don't need to go back to the Jim Crow era voter registration shenanigans.

I think the best we can hope for is to just make voting as easy as possible to solve one problem and if we can solve the uninformed electorate with new ideas down the road, then great.
Do we really think that the biggest voting bloc--white people over 50--are informed voters? Is it that they're the most informed, or that they have more free time with which to go vote? Do we really think that the 62 million people who voted for Donald Trump were informed? Of course they weren't. Just showing up to the polls doesn't mean you're informed. If we're going to have millions of uninformed 50+ white people voting, which we always will, is it the worst thing if we also had millions of uninformed 18-30 year old people to balance that out?
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:39 AM   #11543
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:40 AM   #11544
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To your point on an engaged electorate, I am not sure there is a way to implement basic aptitude checks without quickly devolving into shady practices. We don't need to go back to the Jim Crow era voter registration shenanigans.
Require every US voter to correctly answer this question (or one similar to it) at the voting location:

How many branches are there in the federal government, what are their names, which branch does the candidate that you are voting for intend to work in, and how old do you have to be to vote in the election?
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:40 AM   #11545
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A bit off topic but this whole mess gets depressing if you can't laugh every once in a while at stupidity. What a time to be alive!

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Things like this make me question the merits of democracy and how we let people into positions of power. Basically being popular is good enough.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:50 AM   #11546
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I just worry the arrest of the Russian Lady spy is gonna make it that much harder for little Russian girls to grow up and be spies.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:53 AM   #11547
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Any minute now live with Sarah Liar Sanders, after Trump just said 1hr ago that no, Russia is not still trying to interfere with the US.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:57 AM   #11548
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Fox News is now fully back on board the Trump train after his ridiculous walkback attempt, because of course they are. Resume brainwashing...


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Old 07-18-2018, 12:03 PM   #11549
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Fox News is now fully back on board the Trump train after his ridiculous walkback attempt, because of course they are. Resume brainwashing...


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The only thing he doubled down on was his breakfast from KFC this morning. What an effing coward... but i'm sure even he was scared when Putin starting pouring him a cup of tea in their private meeting.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:13 PM   #11550
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There was poison in both tea cups, Putin has been building up his immunity to iocane powder.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:14 PM   #11551
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Trump would never say he misspoke if Putin was in the room.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:14 PM   #11552
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The only thing he doubled down on was his breakfast from KFC this morning. What an effing coward... but i'm sure even he was scared when Putin starting pouring him a cup of tea in their private meeting.
To be fair, given Putin's record with Polonium, I would be very uncomfortable being served any drink by him.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:20 PM   #11553
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Honestly, this is basically how voting works in Texas as well.

Registering to vote is easy: just sign up at the DMV when you get your driver's license. If you don't have one, you can sign up at other places and at other times as well.

Early voting is open for roughly two weeks before the official voting day, and you can vote at any early voting location within your county and your vote ties back to your home district/precinct. Show your ID or voter registration card, and you get to vote.

In the last local election, you even got a little "I voted" sticker that you could take a fast-food Mexican restaurant and turn it in for a free taco or burrito.

Despite what people may claim, registering to vote and actually voting isn't difficult and it rarely takes much time to do--although it does take a bit more time, energy, and thought than just clicking a "like" button or ordering food on some iPhone app.
Depends where you're at. One of the primary methods of vote blocking is having too few voting stations in areas which primarily vote Democrat, so voting means a lot of travel and standing in line. In primarily colored neighborhoods voting can even take hours.

Not sure of this applies to Texas, but I remember reading reports from for example Ohio where voting took over six hours. That's going to block a lot of voters.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:22 PM   #11554
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A bit off topic but this whole mess gets depressing if you can't laugh every once in a while at stupidity. What a time to be alive!

https://twitter.com/statuses/1019345247355265025
As American as... apple pie and shooting your mom?
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