Ring Road To Nowhere

[You Need a Thneed]

There is no alternative to the Tsuu T'ina route. A route around the west side of the reserve would be completely useless, as it would have to go WEST of Bragg Creek. A 37th Street route or any route further inside the city involves mass land purchases, and would cost much more, and provide a MUCH less useful road.

A 37th Street option, without going onto the reserve at all, involves buying up a significant strip of houses through both Lakeview and Glamorgan, and probably couldn't be built to a 100km/h standard around the corner.

There is enough of an alternative that the province doesn't have to give the Nation whatever they want, but there is no alternative that is good enough to just do it. It will always make more sense to wait for the Nation to agree to a deal.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Is there a downside to just paving over the entire reserve?

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Is there a downside to just paving over the entire reserve?

flooding of surrounding areas

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Is there a downside to just paving over the entire reserve?

Lower albido?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Is there a downside to just paving over the entire reserve?

The SW loses its cheap gas station?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Is there a downside to just paving over the entire reserve?

localized shortage of asphalt making materials for road projects?

[Madman]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Is there a downside to just paving over the entire reserve?

The potential for a Joni Mitchell concert.

[IntenseFan]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The TT have never negotiated in good faith. They are selfish and unsophisticated. For an example of what they could be they should look to the Westbank First Nation in Kelowna.

Not sure where that comes from. They are one of the wealthiest bands in Alberta, which is saying something since they don't have a particular abundance of oil on their Reserve lands.

They are way more sophisticated than you give them credit for.

They just like to play a little bit of hard ball. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

[4X4]

Resolute, you forgot J.
Maybe you're on to something. We should roll them a jay and maybe they'd chill out and make a deal.

[Aleks]

Well if you listen to chief big plumes comments you can see that they are very Self serving.. they have no interest but benefit to themselves. If we keep going to their casino, they'll keep laughing all the way to The bank

[Violator]

If an agreement hasnt been reached why can't they allocate funds and build the section of road to the area that hasn't been okayed to build on atleast get the project started.

[ken0042]

^^ Well they are looking at doing the Macleod interchange.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...54#post3348154

Other than that, I can see a few reasons why:
- How much further west can they go past Macleod? Maybe 24th street?
- Would you want to build right to the Tsuu T'ina land? Wouldn't that weaken our position?
- How much would it cost to have the project planned in that many more phases? What about construction costs? I have to think that part of the reason the SE interchanges are being built over staggered times is to allow the one construction company to do more work.
- How many fights do you want at one time? I know from talking to one of the main trasportation guys that area from Macleod to 24th is going to be ugly. One of the problems with Deerfoot is too many interchanges too close together. Going north from 17th ave you have one every 16 blocks; or one mile. Going west from Macleod you have 4 within 24 blocks; Google maps shows that as 4.5 km. That is too tight; and somebody will lose their connection to 22X. I wouldn't want to be battling the SW residents at the same time as the Tsuu T'ina.

[polak]

There is no way you could get rid of Silverado or James Mckevit access and they're one after another.

[Slava]

An aldermanic candidate last time around told me the plan was to shutdown 24th street to 22x. That whole area heading west is interesting though. Apparently the plan is a huge number of new houses over the coming decades, but who knows how people will travel north from there other than the ring road.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The TT have never negotiated in good faith. They are selfish and unsophisticated. For an example of what they could be they should look to the Westbank First Nation in Kelowna.

Can you blame them?

Once upon a time, they gave up some land to help Calgary with Glenmore reservoir ... and got hosed over...

Then there was the feds and the army base on the reserve...

With that kind of experience, I wouldn't trust any government negotiations either.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

Can you blame them?

Once upon a time, they gave up some land to help Calgary with Glenmore reservoir ... and got hosed over...

Then there was the feds and the army base on the reserve...

With that kind of experience, I wouldn't trust any government negotiations either.

i agree. the TT have been burned before and have every right to demand whatever they want in negotiations. they are the ones bargaining from the position of strength.

[Eagle Eye]

Just out of curiosity, what happened with the reservoir land?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by polak

There is no way you could get rid of Silverado or James Mckevit access and they're one after another.

There is lots of room for access roads in that area. Build a single interchange that would feed both with flyovers at the existing intersections.

[lazypucker]

Does the reserve only own the surface rights? If so, why not just dig a tunnel to go underneath there?

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Does the reserve only own the surface rights? If so, why not just dig a tunnel to go underneath there?

Because it would be a billion dollar debacle?