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Old 07-06-2018, 08:37 AM   #1
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Default Japanese Cult Leader executed 20 years after Sarin attack

Shoko Asahara the leader of the Japanese doomsday cult Aum Shinrikyo and 6 others were hung yesterday.


23 years ago they used Sarin Gas in attacks on the Japanese Subway system killing 13 and injuring some permanently nearly 6000 others.



At its height the cult had over 10,000 members


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...subway-attack/
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:40 AM   #2
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Hung!? Holy crap.

Say what you want about being deserving of capital punishment. But hung in 2018? In Japan? Yikes.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:50 AM   #3
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Why? Hanging was probably quicker and more humane then other methods.

Lethal injection has had its problems.
Electrocution isn't perfect.
Gassing showed to be inefficient

Firing squad wasn't perfect and it lead to psychological problems for the executioners.
Beheading isn't instant death. the last thing you see is probably your body fighting the restraints and then the bottom of a basket.

At least they didn't roll out the Brass Bull, or use a neck screw.
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This guy attempted to kill thousands if only his sarin had been more pure. Quite the monster
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People tend to forget that even after the attack on the Subway there were a bunch of different incidences including an attempt to do another subway attack using hydrogen cyanide.


These people were crazy, but they had vision.
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:11 AM   #6
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Off topic, but I don't understand why lethal injection has so many issues.



Can't you just put someone to sleep with regular anesthetic (like for surgery) then just inject him with a readily available chemical like diesel or rat poison or something?
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Why? Hanging was probably quicker and more humane then other methods.


Lethal injection has had its problems.
Electrocution isn't perfect.
Gassing showed to be inefficient

Firing squad wasn't perfect and it lead to psychological problems for the executioners.
Beheading isn't instant death. the last thing you see is probably your body fighting the restraints and then the bottom of a basket.






At least they didn't roll out the Brass Bull, or use a neck screw.


I'm partial to scaphism, myself.


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Off topic, but I don't understand why lethal injection has so many issues.



Can't you just put someone to sleep with regular anesthetic (like for surgery) then just inject him with a readily available chemical like diesel or rat poison or something?
Absolutely. Itís why they are working on passing assisted suicide legislation. It is the most humane way.
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Why? Hanging was probably quicker and more humane then other methods.


Lethal injection has had its problems.
Electrocution isn't perfect.
Gassing showed to be inefficient

Firing squad wasn't perfect and it lead to psychological problems for the executioners.
Beheading isn't instant death. the last thing you see is probably your body fighting the restraints and then the bottom of a basket.

At least they didn't roll out the Brass Bull, or use a neck screw.

Hanging also doesn't kill them right away either with some recorded cases where people didn't die for up to 20 minutes. Depends on if the Japanese dropped them far enough.

We should just have execution booths ala
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Absolutely. Itís why they are working on passing assisted suicide legislation. It is the most humane way.
I would opt for Snu Snu
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Lethal Injection actually has the highest rate of botched executions according to stats collected by the Death Penalty information center. over 7% of the executions go wrong.


The lowest was firing squad, though with that one, because its a heart shot, the convict absolutely dies, but it does take some time.


Probably the best most effective method of execution though would be the Russian version of the firing squad.


Basically the condemned is invited up to the wardens office to write a final letter to the president to plea for clemency. Then he is ordered returned to his cell. As the prisoner is escorted back, a executioner leaps out of a door in a hallway and shoots the convict in the back of the head, so there's no real waiting and the executed never see's it coming or feels it.
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A whopping 7%!?!? Call the UN!

Also I’m sorry but I’m finding your alternatives boarderline hilarious.


Anyways, I had never really heard much about this group. Terrible human beings.
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Basically the condemned is invited up to the wardens office to write a final letter to the president to plea for clemency. Then he is ordered returned to his cell. As the prisoner is escorted back, a executioner leaps out of a door in a hallway and shoots the convict in the back of the head, so there's no real waiting and the executed never see's it coming or feels it.
Aren't all Chinese executions just a bullet to the back of the head with an assault rifle at close range?

I imagine a big enough gun would cause immediate death, anti-material rifles and the like would probably bring the % of failure and possibilities of botched executions to zero.
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Little known fact: Aum Shinrikyo bought a farm/parcel of land in Western Australia for biological weapons testing.
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Aren't all Chinese executions just a bullet to the back of the head with an assault rifle at close range?

I imagine a big enough gun would cause immediate death, anti-material rifles and the like would probably bring the % of failure and possibilities of botched executions to zero.

Yup, the family also receives a bill for the bullet.
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Aren't all Chinese executions just a bullet to the back of the head with an assault rifle at close range?

I imagine a big enough gun would cause immediate death, anti-material rifles and the like would probably bring the % of failure and possibilities of botched executions to zero.
It would be interesting to see a study on the aftermath of that vs lethal injection for the executioner.
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A whopping 7%!?!? Call the UN!

Also Iím sorry but Iím finding your alternatives boarderline hilarious.


Anyways, I had never really heard much about this group. Terrible human beings.

When the average of all botched executions is about 3% and lethal injection is over 7% its an inefficient method of execution.


Also the alternatives aren't hilarious, they're all actual methods of execution.


Borderline hilarious would be placing the convict on a chair in the middle of a room carpeted with 70's era shag carpets, and then the executioner shuffles towards him while wearing Bugs Bunny slippers and kills him with a massive blast of static electricity.
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It would be interesting to see a study on the aftermath of that vs lethal injection for the executioner.

I got sent to this article from the DPIC, it touches on exactly what you're talking about.


https://psmag.com/social-justice/ready-aim-fire


Basically its tough to find doctors and nurses to administer the final punishment in the case of lethal injections.
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I got sent to this article from the DPIC, it touches on exactly what you're talking about.


https://psmag.com/social-justice/ready-aim-fire


Basically its tough to find doctors and nurses to administer the final punishment in the case of lethal injections.
Thanks for that. But that is more about signing up for it than the physiological aftermath of putting a bullet in someone’s head. Which is what I’m more interested in.

For sure the main issue with injections is getting licensed professionals to complete the task. It’s an on going battle to get them to do it for people who actually want to die. That’s the main issue with it, not that it isn’t humane. There are proper ways to do it.
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When a key component in your professional service is to "do no harm", I don't find it difficult to believe that any doctor would willingly kill a person or patient no matter what the reason.
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