04-22-2022, 02:14 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Smoking hole in the ground
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I mean, the prices seem a bit nuts, but as I understand things it’s like they’re moving from Airdrie to downtown, and with a lot fewer seats. There’s some logic to say that demand should go up a fair bit, given that based on what I’ve heard a big problem there has been location, and supply is also going down. Maybe they’re optimistic, but if those were the numbers here in a similar situation, they’d probably sell out every game. I think the balance should be somewhere between 60-80% of those numbers, but I wouldn’t be shocked if those prices stay firm.
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04-22-2022, 05:02 AM
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#22
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by jg13
you just know the league is going to rig the bedard draft in this poor excuse for a franchise' favour.
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04-22-2022, 06:36 AM
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#23
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I can't see how this doesn't fail catastrophically. It's going to be an embarrassment.
When was the last time a professional sports team in North America suspended operations mid-season?
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Apart from that women's hockey League, the last major North American sports team to fold were the Houston Comets of the WNBA in 2008.
The last NHL team to fold were the New York/Brooklyn Americans in '42 due to the war hurting the talent pool and competition with the Rangers. The WHA folded two teams in 79 following its merger with the NHL, the Birmingham Bulls and the Cincinnati Stingers. The year prior (78) the Indianapolis Racers and Houston Aeros folded due to struggling attendance and the year before that (77) The Calgary Cowboys, Minnesota Fighting Saints, San Diego Mariners and Phoenix Roadrunners folded. The WHA was a rocky place to be a hockey fan.
In pro baseball, way back in 1915, an attempted third major league, the Federal League, folded after being unable to compete with the NL and AL that would later merge to become the MLB. Of the 9 teams in the FL, only one city would not receive another Major League team, Newark, NJ. Then host of the Newark Peppers. No AL or NL or MLB teams have since gone defunct, merely being relocated. #Expos
In pro basketball the NBAs Baltimore Bullets folded in 1954 due to absolutely atrocious performance going 3-11. They actually folded after playing only 14 of the 70+ games on their schedule. So this I believe is the actual answer.
The NFLs Dallas Texans folded after their first season in 1952, again due to absolute dog#### performance. Going 1-11. Their one win, was because the other team only played second stringers to rest the actual players and even then they only won with a last second TD. The AFL never had a team fold and I believe every AFL team survived into the NFL.
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04-22-2022, 07:55 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Gary will just take ownership over the team again if it gets that bad.
And any of us that spend money on the Flames will be subsidizing them for some ungodly reason.
Temporarily Move them to any number of major junior rinks in Canada if you are too stubborn to move them permanently to Houston, KC, QC etc.
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04-22-2022, 07:58 AM
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#25
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Scoring Winger
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Glad the NHL is so poor they need ads on helmets and jerseys, but at least they have the money for this BS.
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04-22-2022, 08:04 AM
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#26
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Behind the microphone
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
What glue stick did they snort when they came up with this for pricing?
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They need to make up for all the lost seats.
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04-22-2022, 08:10 AM
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First Line Centre
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I take it they aren't hoping to attract the college crowd at $90/seat?
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04-22-2022, 08:49 AM
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#28
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Gary will just take ownership over the team again if it gets that bad.
And any of us that spend money on the Flames will be subsidizing them for some ungodly reason.
Temporarily Move them to any number of major junior rinks in Canada if you are too stubborn to move them permanently to Houston, KC, QC etc.
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Travelling franchise that spends 2 weeks at a time in small markets vying for a team.
They can be hockey's "Littlest Hobo"
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04-22-2022, 09:07 AM
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#29
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kelowna, B.C.
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Originally Posted by Calgary14
I take it they aren't hoping to attract the college crowd at $90/seat?
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By the looks of the chart, there can't be more than a few hundred of the $89 seats. Those ones will probably sell well as it will be a bargain to sit that close compared to other NHL arenas.
As for paying $350 to see through the distorted view from the glass, I'd certainly be out.
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04-22-2022, 09:12 AM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Madrox
I mean, the prices seem a bit nuts, but as I understand things it’s like they’re moving from Airdrie to downtown, and with a lot fewer seats. There’s some logic to say that demand should go up a fair bit, given that based on what I’ve heard a big problem there has been location, and supply is also going down. Maybe they’re optimistic, but if those were the numbers here in a similar situation, they’d probably sell out every game. I think the balance should be somewhere between 60-80% of those numbers, but I wouldn’t be shocked if those prices stay firm.
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They averaged 7000 household viewers per game last year and are probably down this year if they can measure numbers that low. Are they going to get all of them to come to games regularly?
Due to the dumbness of the RSN model, they probably make 75-100 million/year on their TV deal, since their RSN has 2.5 million subscribers. Once that RSN money dries up though, I don't see how they can possibly be viable.
A half full 5000 seat arena with boring wealthy people is not going to be a fun atmosphere.
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04-22-2022, 09:21 AM
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#31
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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I don't know for sure, but I don't think the prices at the Corral were out of whack with the prices around the league and the eventual Saddledome seating.
It was a great place to watch those games, but the Yotes model requires 5000 hard core (and reasonably wealthy) fans. It would be really embarrassing if they end up with a half full college arena.
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04-22-2022, 09:24 AM
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#32
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
They averaged 7000 household viewers per game last year and are probably down this year if they can measure numbers that low. Are they going to get all of them to come to games regularly?
Due to the dumbness of the RSN model, they probably make 75-100 million/year on their TV deal, since their RSN has 2.5 million subscribers. Once that RSN money dries up though, I don't see how they can possibly be viable.
A half full 5000 seat arena with boring wealthy people is not going to be a fun atmosphere.
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For real??? How can it be that low? Im assuming they have a regional sports channel like Fox Sports? How can they broadcast anything at a profit to a few thousand people?
I have always envisioned maybe 250,000 people watching our Sportsnet Flames games ... maybe it is way lower, who knows. But that is the size of audience I always assumed it would be, given the "water cooler" talk with so many people the next day.
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04-22-2022, 09:28 AM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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I know some owners believe the Coyotes should not be eligible for revenue sharing starting next year, I hope that somehow goes through.
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04-22-2022, 09:29 AM
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#34
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Franchise Player
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They're getting absolutely roasted online for this plan. From those in the know, sounds like this plan banks on the move putting them close enough to the wealthy folks/corporate crowd that they can lure them with the discounted seasons tickets.
To me, even if they can sell most of the season tickets, it sounds like a recipe for empty building when they're on a 8 game losing streak. 5,000 in a packed house is an awesome energy, but half full? It'll just drive more people away.
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04-22-2022, 09:34 AM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Draug
For real??? How can it be that low? Im assuming they have a regional sports channel like Fox Sports? How can they broadcast anything at a profit to a few thousand people?
I have always envisioned maybe 250,000 people watching our Sportsnet Flames games ... maybe it is way lower, who knows. But that is the size of audience I always assumed it would be, given the "water cooler" talk with so many people the next day.
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They have 2.5 million people paying $5-10/month in carriage fees for a channel they don't watch. Viewership doesn't matter for the cable RSN model. Cord cutting will make that model unsustainable, but it's still quite profitable for now.
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04-22-2022, 09:50 AM
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#36
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Ducay
They're getting absolutely roasted online for this plan. From those in the know, sounds like this plan banks on the move putting them close enough to the wealthy folks/corporate crowd that they can lure them with the discounted seasons tickets.
To me, even if they can sell most of the season tickets, it sounds like a recipe for empty building when they're on a 8 game losing streak. 5,000 in a packed house is an awesome energy, but half full? It'll just drive more people away.
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Would many wealthy people even want to go to a university arena, even if it's nice? where the cachet in that?
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04-22-2022, 09:52 AM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I'm interested to see how this works out for them. I believe Lanny McDonald said the Coral provided the best home ice advantage he played in. Clearly this isn't a long term solution but it may bring a bit more positivity to the players compared to playing in front of a large, empty arena and even a fun atmosphere for fans.
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04-22-2022, 10:00 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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can you imagine paying $400 plus for what will likely once again be a last place AHL team playing in the NHL.......has anyone seen a similar grid for their current prices. it would be entertaining to see the two side by side. even though it is not a fair comparison given the rink size.
will be interesting to see what UFA then can sign in the off season
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04-22-2022, 10:01 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
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Maybe they did a market survey and found that lots of ASU students have rich parents and the place will actually be packed and rocking?
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04-22-2022, 10:04 AM
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#40
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First Line Centre
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This can't be serious...waiting for an insider to confirm this is a place holder announcement and coyotes will be playing in City x (likely Houston) next year...
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