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Old 05-26-2019, 07:51 AM   #2181
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Yeah, let's reserve the animosity for where it belongs....English football.
Where stomping on your opponent's throat isnt just encouraged but actually considered proper form!
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Old 05-26-2019, 07:51 AM   #2182
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:58 AM   #2183
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So what you are saying then is that you chose to drag your ass across the thread with a non sequitur designed to try and shift the topic away from Unifor posting a video threatening its own members for daring to have an independent thought?
Do you have a source for that? I havenít read anything that indicates the people in that video were Unifor members.
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Old 05-26-2019, 09:03 AM   #2184
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Closer look at the American's lifting the Steel and Aluminum tariffs


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"Don't bask in the glory of this one," United Steelworkers president Leo Gerard told CBC's The House podcast last week, casting a skeptical eye on the agreement to end steel and aluminum tariffs.


The deal points to where the Trump administration's protectionism may be headed next ó and it's not really a return to a North American free trade zone for steel and aluminum products.


That didn't stop Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland from touring Canada, striking celebratory poses with the grateful hard-hats-and-overalls crowd last week. Trudeau talked to aluminum workers in Sept-Iles, Que. and steelworkers in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont. Freeland met steelworkers in Regina before heading to meet more aluminum workers in Jonquiere, Que.

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If everyone at those events was being completely honest, they'd admit things aren't returning to how they used to be. Workers must steel themselves for this: the U.S. hasn't abandoned protectionism. Rather, it adjusted it when it became politically expedient to do so.

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But a "full lift" of the tariffs didn't really come without concessions, despite what Trudeau suggested May 17.


"There wasn't a way to this without some sort of concession to the United States," said former U.S. diplomat Sarah Goldfeder as the deal was announced. "This is a necessary evil."


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The agreement is what trade watchers call a "snap back" deal. Yes, the tariffs were removed. But the U.S. reserved the right to slap them back on ó specifically, "in the event that imports of aluminum or steel products surge meaningfully beyond historic volumes of trade over a period of time."


Freeland has been asked to define a "surge" and couldn't. Her spokesperson said later that Canada's hope was that this part of the agreement would never be used.

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Both the Mexicans and the Canadians said they wouldn't settle for a deal that fixed quotas on their exports. But, as Carleton University's Meredith Lilly observed on Power & Politics last week, "there's language in the agreement that suggests perhaps we have quota by another name."

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The agreement lays out how the U.S. "may" request consultations before imposing duties at the same rate as the previous tariffs, "with consideration of market share." In other words, Americans don't want Canada's market share to grow.


Is this a quota in disguise? Freeland's office would only point out that it says "may," not "will."

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What kind of Canadian steel is still a target?

The new (but undefined ó officials are working on it, Freeland's spokesperson says) monitoring regime for Canadian and Mexican imports "may treat products made with steel that is melted and poured in North America separately from products that are not."
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Old 05-26-2019, 10:04 AM   #2185
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Do you have a source for that? I havenít read anything that indicates the people in that video were Unifor members.
Ahh, granted. That was not a great assumption. The overall point stands, however. He's still trying to deflect the topic away from how this union is threatening people.
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Ahh, granted. That was not a great assumption. The overall point stands, however. He's still trying to deflect the topic away from how this union is threatening people.
Exposing and threatening are two very different things.

There are countless examples throughout history of union workers being attacked or threatened during labour disputes, so by your logic if a union or the media were to share a photo of a worker on a picket line during a dispute they would be threatening that worker.
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Old 05-26-2019, 11:50 AM   #2187
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Exposing and threatening are two very different things.

There are countless examples throughout history of union workers being attacked or threatened during labour disputes, so by your logic if a union or the media were to share a photo of a worker on a picket line during a dispute they would be threatening that worker.

A picture is one thing, although that's bad enough imo.


Listing their name? That's so far over the line it's legitimately crazy you don't see that.
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Exposing and threatening are two very different things.
You aren't that naive. You know exactly what Unifor expected to happen when they released this video.
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I cant believe that Unions are still assaulting 'scabs' in this day and age.
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A picture is one thing, although that's bad enough imo.


Listing their name? That's so far over the line it's legitimately crazy you don't see that.
Names or no names it isnít threatening anyone itís exposing their actions. I donít know how you donít understand the difference, but by all means continue with the personal attacks if you canít find a better way to try and make your point.

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You aren't that naive. You know exactly what Unifor expected to happen when they released this video.
What do you think they wanted to happen? Iím pretty sure we can agree that inciting violence against these replacement workers would almost certainly eliminate any support the union had from the general public in their dispute and that that doesnít help their cause at all. I think we can also agree that if publicly exposing these people results in their friends and families dissuading them from continuing to cross the picket line thatís a win for the union. While itís almost impossible to prove their intent, I donít think itís naive to believe their intent was to yield a result that would help their cause rather than harm it.
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Will no one rid us of these meddlesome scabs?
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Old 05-26-2019, 12:45 PM   #2192
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I cant believe that Unions are still assaulting 'scabs' in this day and age.
Its all about protecting workers man!!

Well, certain workers anyhow...others dont matter, particularly when they dont pay money for said protection.

The hypocrisy runs very deep.
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I cant believe that Unions are still assaulting 'scabs' in this day and age.
They doubled down on the doxxing of course.

https://unifor.org/en/blog/where-was...-were-violated


Over the course of the last year, the company has been gradually bringing in scab labour. Advertising on local and national job sites.

There is no law that prevents an employer from using scabs in Newfoundland and Labrador. This lockout is just one more example of why this needs to change. Not just in Newfoundland and Labrador but right across the country. Today, with the exception of Quebec and British Columbia, anti-scab legislation does not exist.
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As disgusting as it is - the supreme court says otherwise

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The Supreme Court Of Canada Rules That A Unionís Freedom Of Expression On A Picket Line Trumps Individual Privacy
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On November 15, 2013, the Supreme Court of Canada issued its decision in Alberta (Information and Privacy Commissioner) v. United Food and Commercial Workers, Local 401, 2013 SCC 62. In a unanimous decision, the Court ruled that Alberta's private sector privacy law, the Personal Information Protection Act ("PIPA"), breaches a union's freedom of expression under section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (the "Charter") in that it prevented them from recording and publishing pictures of individuals crossing a legal picket line. The Court further found that this breach was not justified under section 1 of the Charter.
http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/27694...vidual+Privacy

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Two of the women, one a mother of four children, told the CBC they are scared. ďEverybody can put my face and my name together now, and it scares the crap out of me.Ē Another woman said, ďWeíve had a lot of messages come in on Facebook from complete strangers, death threats, all across Canada.Ē
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...uelty-too.html
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They doubled down on the doxxing of course.

https://unifor.org/en/blog/where-was...-were-violated


Over the course of the last year, the company has been gradually bringing in scab labour. Advertising on local and national job sites.

There is no law that prevents an employer from using scabs in Newfoundland and Labrador. This lockout is just one more example of why this needs to change. Not just in Newfoundland and Labrador but right across the country. Today, with the exception of Quebec and British Columbia, anti-scab legislation does not exist.
What is wrong with scab labour? It is a consequence of the adversarial nature of unions. If your wage and job skill combination is such that the company is better off locking out the workers and retraining an entire work force then the employees are clearly being paid too much or are asking for too much.

Union vs Owner is an adversarial fight where each side uses pressure points to get the others to cave.
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What is wrong with scab labour? It is a consequence of the adversarial nature of unions. If your wage and job skill combination is such that the company is better off locking out the workers and retraining an entire work force then the employees are clearly being paid too much or are asking for too much.

Union vs Owner is an adversarial fight where each side uses pressure points to get the others to cave.
Oh yeah.

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JWR and Philpot won't run for the Greens


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JWR and Philpot won't run for the Greens


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Color me shocked.

Im actually relieved as well...the Greens need no more support nor momentum.

They make the NDP look like neo-cons.
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What is wrong with scab labour? It is a consequence of the adversarial nature of unions. If your wage and job skill combination is such that the company is better off locking out the workers and retraining an entire work force then the employees are clearly being paid too much or are asking for too much.

Union vs Owner is an adversarial fight where each side uses pressure points to get the others to cave.
As you say, union-employer is an (largely) adversarial relationship. Scan labour is bad for union members (as it weakens the effect of a strike). So obviously unions will (must; they have a legal duty to protect the interests of their members) do what what they can to discourage scab labour. That said, they may only do so within the limits of the law (lest they suffer the civil/criminal/regulatory consequences). Did that Unifor video cross the line into civil/criminal/regulatory liability? Time will tell.
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