Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Not excusing him. I stopped reading his articles years ago. Yet I do sympathize with him.

He lived seeing what the Liberals did to the fishing industry. Collapsing the industry in his native Newfoundland, only to see foreign boats fish away. Then to see prosperity return early 2000s and collapse again, with the Liberals pushing more ideological restrictions on a hurting industry, while foreign groups drink our milkshake.

He comes from a hard work blue collar background and respects those principles. I think watching JT and Butts hail from privilege and mess with so many folks lives has pushed him to fight back against what he doesn’t respect.

I mean look at how the Liberals promised all that retraining for a green economy that hasn’t materialized, yet they are fairly happy to constrain Canadian livelihoods. Its a story he and all of us have seen before.

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Don’t be lazy. The left has plenty ownership here. David “oil workers are slave trade sympathizers” Suzuki being one. Gerry “Oil execs are evil barrens” Butts.

The left always likes to be the victim, but they helped propagate this problem post Trump. Going all in on “everyone who votes Trump did so because racism”.

Rex is a product but not the cause by any means.

Last, did anyone see Gerry Butts quit Twitter? Threw insults at Elon Musk and then left on a “please be kind” note. Case in point.

Is what you’re saying here that the things Rex Murphy voluntarily says are someone else’s fault?

[Puckbag]

Originally Posted by Yikes

It's an Alberta thing...alot of people in O&G think that the contribution to the country is HUGE...when really it is not. I don't how accurate 10% of GDP is but I would have to think that is pretty close. It's not a small number but on the other side of the coin if half of it disappeared...not that big of a deal in the big picture.

I've seen the same argument said about agriculture, forestry, mining, etc about how little these industries provide the economic GDP and I do not agree with this premise.

In my opinion, % GDP of an economy can be a bit misleading as most primary industries do no make up a big portion of the total GDP in a nation. However you remove primary industries such as oil and gas, agriculture, mining, forestry, etc. from an area (lets say Alberta in this example), there is very little secondary or tertiary industries (which make up the majority of GDP) that will follow. There would be no reason for people to move to Alberta in the early 20th century to help build this economy to what it is today.

The real estate industry contributes the most to the Canadian GDP, however it would not provide near the amount it does to the GDP if there are no resources to bring people in to an area to start with. The wealth generated from the primary industries are the main reason why the service industry exists, if Alberta (Or Canada for that matter) had no natural resources whatsoever, this province would be a figment of what it is now.

So yes, I would say primary industries, as a whole, pay the rent in this country, even though GDP percentage wise may not look like very much. I hope I made sense to everyone here, I'm no where near as articulated as some posters here on this forum, its a skill I wish I had.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Puckbag

I've seen the same argument said about agriculture, forestry, mining, etc about how little these industries provide the the economic GDP and I do not agree with this premise.

In my opinion, % GDP of an economy can be a bit misleading as most primary industries do no make up a big portion of the total GDP in a nation. However you remove primary industries such as oil and gas, agriculture, mining, forestry, etc. from an area (lets say Alberta in this example), there is very little secondary or tertiary industries (which make up the majority of GDP) that will follow. There would be no reason for people to move to Alberta in the early 20th century to help build this economy to what it is today.

The real estate industry contributes the most to the Canadian GDP, however it would not provide near the amount it does to the GDP if there are no resources to bring people in to an area to start with. The wealth generated from the primary industries are the main reason why the service industry exists, if Alberta (Or Canada for that matter) had no natural resources whatsoever, this province would be a figment of what it is now.

So yes, I would say primary industries as a whole pay the rent in this country, even though GDP percentage wise, may not look like very much. I hope I made sense to everyone here, I'm no where near as articulated as some posters here on this forum, its a skill I wish I had.

It’s exactly this. GDP isn’t a good measure of the impact because it’s all the spin-offs and other sectors that gain because we have an oil and gas industry. Look no further than the service sector. It’s as large as it is in Calgary because we have the other industry, not the other way around.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Puckbag

I've seen the same argument said about agriculture, forestry, mining, etc about how little these industries provide the the economic GDP and I do not agree with this premise.

In my opinion, % GDP of an economy can be a bit misleading as most primary industries do no make up a big portion of the total GDP in a nation. However you remove primary industries such as oil and gas, agriculture, mining, forestry, etc. from an area (lets say Alberta in this example), there is very little secondary or tertiary industries (which make up the majority of GDP) that will follow. There would be no reason for people to move to Alberta in the early 20th century to help build this economy to what it is today.

The real estate industry contributes the most to the Canadian GDP, however it would not provide near the amount it does to the GDP if there are no resources to bring people in to an area to start with. The wealth generated from the primary industries are the main reason why the service industry exists, if Alberta (Or Canada for that matter) had no natural resources whatsoever, this province would be a figment of what it is now.

So yes, I would say primary industries as a whole pay the rent in this country, even though GDP percentage wise, may not look like very much. I hope I made sense to everyone here, I'm no where near as articulated as some posters here on this forum, its a skill I wish I had.

Well said,

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598844674500087808

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Rex could be the mascot for what’s gone wrong with our political climate.

This is a fair comment, and I like the comparison to Cherry. Something hilarious and kinda “folksy” to me about the articles though.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Is what you’re saying here that the things Rex Murphy voluntarily says are someone else’s fault?

It is absolutely critical for some Canadian right wingers to butt in when a right winger is acting like a clown to let everyone know that:

1. They’re only a clown because the Liberals made them a clown
2. They’re not actually that much of a clown when you look at how much of a clown these random Liberals nobody was talking about are, oh, and now that someone mentioned those random Liberals that nobody was talking about, did you know that one of them did something I will attempt to paint as equally clowny? CRAZY, RIGHT?

Like, the Liberals suck, I get it, but as a looney tune socialist NDP supporter I’m still not following Gerald Butts around on Twitter gathering content I can then bring up whenever someone mentions a left winter acting like an ####### lol. What a sad way to spend your time.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Not excusing him. I stopped reading his articles years ago. Yet I do sympathize with him.

He lived seeing what the Liberals did to the fishing industry. Collapsing the industry in his native Newfoundland, only to see foreign boats fish away. Then to see prosperity return early 2000s and collapse again, with the Liberals pushing more ideological restrictions on a hurting industry, while foreign groups drink our milkshake.

The liberals? Mulroney was Prime minister for roughly six years prior to the closure.

When we look back, the over fishing of the cod goes back to decades of incomplete modeling. Bad modeling certainly didn't help political decisions from either party

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Are there any intelligent and articulate Smith/UCP supporters on here that could try to help us understand her better? I mean, my impression of her and her team is borderline Bond villainesque, but I'm hoping maybe I'm just not exposed to a cogent explanation of the virtues of their style and substance.

Talking to Yoho reminds me of Bumblebee in the Transformers movie where he just strings together crap by flicking through radio stations and various announcers and singers spit out his thoughts except Yoho does it with tweets. Let's be honest, he's either a troll or a bit of a dim bulb.

It would be nice for a smart conservative to school us here a bit. Is there maybe one thing we can find that Smith is doing that is new and better than what Kenney was doing or better than what the ndp did or even proposed? Even accidentally. Or did the province literally get taken over by a group of total r-tards?

I don't agree with a lot of Cowboy89's political views, but he's certainly a very intelligent, genuine person who speaks with clarity and respect for the other side.

Unfortunately, being a conservative supporter has become a weird place for many. On CP I see the sentiment from corporatejay and others that this place is a left wing echo chamber and impossible to speak out as a conservative. I disagree with that. I think that conservative parties all over the western world are being hijacked by populist/conspiracy based parties and true conservative citizens are being left without a home, and it's frustrating for them, as they navigate whether to keep supporting a local/provincial/state/federal party vs jumping ship.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Cliff wasn’t a UCP supporter though.

No, Cliff was different. He's a very conservative person in a lot of ways, likely as he grew older. You could see it when he spoke to the "regressive left" or when immigrants came up etc.

His role was that he tried to condemn the left/progressives from the authority position of "I'm on the far left/libertarian and even I can't get behind you guys so your points are invalid!!!!!" and that was frustrating for everyone.

But the reality was that he showed through body of work that he actually supported a more conservative, right wing Canada. But the UCP? No, I don't think he was ever behind them.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

meh. I don’t buy the hive mentality theory. Also it seemed like cliff increasingly lost the plot as the years went on. Having contrarians around isn’t always good for quality discourse.

This, for sure. And to further my point about conservatives being "run off CP", or CP being ultra left. I just don't see it.

I think what's happening is that right wing parties are losing educated voters world wild and are making it up by grifting poor/uneducated voters. So a place like CP where the average education level and salary is much higher than the actual population?

Yeah, it's gonna skew further and further left through understanding as the right drifts further and further into conspiracy laden, grifting bull**** land. I don't think that's unfair to point out. I really hope we can see a return to some sort of normalcy in right wing parties so that we can have a better balance.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't agree with a lot of Cowboy89's political views, but he's certainly a very intelligent, genuine person who speaks with clarity and respect for the other side.

Unfortunately, being a conservative supporter has become a weird place for many. On CP I see the sentiment from corporatejay and others that this place is a left wing echo chamber and impossible to speak out as a conservative. I disagree with that. I think that conservative parties all over the western world are being hijacked by populist/conspiracy based parties and true conservative citizens are being left without a home, and it's frustrating for them, as they navigate whether to keep supporting a local/provincial/state/federal party vs jumping ship.

NDP, Liberal, Conservative...it seems that all parties at the Federal level kind of end of migrating to the middle. I believe that the social values of voting populace pushes all in that direction. Provincial parties lean this way as well, I can almost guarantee that all that spews out of Smith's non filtered mouth will be walked back with little or zero change to the programs/policies/laws she attacks. Ditto for all of the talking heads in Ottawa. As mentioned before, any party that makes a concerted effort to unravel significant portions of the Canadian safety net is pretty much committing political suicide.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Yikes

NDP, Liberal, Conservative...it seems that all parties at the Federal level kind of end of migrating to the middle. I believe that the social values of voting populace pushes all in that direction. Provincial parties lean this way as well, I can almost guarantee that all that spews out of Smith's non filtered mouth will be walked back with little or zero change to the programs/policies/laws she attacks. Ditto for all of the talking heads in Ottawa. As mentioned before, any party that makes a concerted effort to unravel significant portions of the Canadian safety net is pretty much committing political suicide.

Honestly, I don't think that has happened either federally or provincially over the past decade. Instead, governments get elected and tend to have a "we have a mandate" line. The Trudeau Liberals have moved more left, if anything, and the provincial parties in Alberta haven't moved toward the center for their respective parties. I feel like this how people think it should work, but in practice it doesn't seem to be the case.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Slava

Honestly, I don't think that has happened either federally or provincially over the past decade. Instead, governments get elected and tend to have a "we have a mandate" line. The Trudeau Liberals have moved more left, if anything, and the provincial parties in Alberta haven't moved toward the center for their respective parties. I feel like this how people think it should work, but in practice it doesn't seem to be the case.

Hmmm, I could be wrong but I think all parties end up in the middle, just a matter of time. Any party in power has to keep the bulk of the voters onside.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1599860061966372886

Some balanced journalism from the herald.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1599860061966372886

Some balanced journalism from the herald.

Would it have been balanced if the Herald tried to polish the turd?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1599860061966372886

Some balanced journalism from the herald.

Don Braid is as balanced as you will get from a journalist. He plays no favorites and calls them like he sees it.

[Locke]

Can we punt these Clowns yet?

[Fuzz]

What is it with people on the right thinking journalism needs to maintain some sort of balance? Like becuase this article exists, an alternate should also exist showing Notley eating babies? That's not how this works. And if you think it does, go find me a Western Standard article praising Justin Trudeau for his good work on the gun bill.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1599860061966372886

Some balanced journalism from the herald.

boo hoo

yoho

The UCP is horrible and Smith is a crap politician.

Her interview on The West Block was amateurish