2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Dr. Doom]

I have my doubts that it's about the Flames unwilling to trade Bennett without a good return. Realistically I can't possibly see any buyers at this stage...

He finished the preaseason with very little ice ice time and don't think the Flames management team or any other GM doesn't see what we see.

TBH he looks completely disinterested out there...

I havent seen such a flop in a Flames uniform since Rico Fata tbh and there was no market there either... sorry for bringing it up!

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Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

I come up to peters before the game and just say “my line starts”. Then at the faceoff I drop my mitts and fight someone. Then on the way to the box I point at peters and say “put me on the powerplay”.

Dramatic? Hell yah. But otherwise the flames are going to kill his effing career

Is this the plot of the next Mighty Ducks movie?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I have my doubts that it's about the Flames unwilling to trade Bennett without a good return. Realistically I can't possibly see any buyers at this stage...

He finished the preaseason with very little ice ice time and don't think the Flames management team or any other GM doesn't see what we see.

TBH he looks completely disinterested out there...

I havent seen such a flop in a Flames uniform since Rico Fata tbh and there was no market there either... sorry for bringing it up!

Wow couldn't disagree more.

I think a kid that plays physical and takes too many penalties is likely trying too hard.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Same points as always on both sides.
How much time did they get on the third line with Hathaway.
Rinse, repeat

Monahan and Gaudreau have been carrying 3/4 wingers since their rookie years. Monahan produced as a rookie with over the hill wingers.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I have my doubts that it's about the Flames unwilling to trade Bennett without a good return. Realistically I can't possibly see any buyers at this stage...



He finished the preaseason with very little ice ice time and don't think the Flames management team or any other GM doesn't see what we see.



TBH he looks completely disinterested out there...



I havent seen such a flop in a Flames uniform since Rico Fata tbh and there was no market there either... sorry for bringing it up!

He definitely doesn’t look disinterested... if anything it appears that he is trying too hard at times. I don’t know what you’re seeing that makes him look disinterested to you... he doesn’t play a lazy game at all.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Same points as always on both sides.
How much time did they get on the third line with Hathaway.
Rinse, repeat

What has Bennett done to scoff at playing with Hathaway? He is barely a better NHLer at this point himself

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Matthews is getting over 10...probably 11+
Marner in the 8 range
JT at 11...do the math

If JT got 11, Matthews won't get more than that. Tavares took less to be in Toronto, and he is the biggest free agent in NHL history. Matthews isn't going to get more just because Peter Chiarelli sucks at his job.

Toronto should wait for Marner to score 70 points before he gets Draisaitl (lol) money. He probably comes in somewhere between $6.5-$7.5 - he's not a generational talent.

$27M between those three seems.manageable.

Sign Nylander now, and trade the lesser of Marner/Nylander for the defenseman they need. Doesn't seem like a terrible position. Their window is open for the next seven years.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What has Bennett done to scoff at playing with Hathaway? He is barely a better NHLer at this point himself

Now you are being silly

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What has Bennett done to scoff at playing with Hathaway? He is barely a better NHLer at this point himself

Everyone should scoff at playing with Hathaway, Hathaway is terrible.

Bennett has 60 more points and 143 more NHL games under his belt, and he's four years younger.

[David Struch]

Anthony Stolarz cleared waivers today.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Monahan and Gaudreau have been carrying 3/4 wingers since their rookie years. Monahan produced as a rookie with over the hill wingers.

I know Monahan has grown in production from year 2 forward. And has developed better than Bennett. But please consider the facts. Your statement above is wrong

Compare their rookie seasons.
Monahan has 21 G 34 points in 75 games, Bennett had 18 G 36 pts in 77. Comparable.
Monahan had among his line mates Hudler who was not over the hill then, he was a 50+ point producer. And sometimes Stempniak and Cammalleri , who were both over 30 points in the lockout shortened season.
Bennett had usually Backlund and Frolik

Monahan - Year 2, Hartley puts Monahan with Gaudreau as his linemate, and Hudler.
Bennett - Year 2, Gulutzan puts Bennett with Versteeg, Brouwer, Chiasson, Bollig. Now there are the over the hill wingers you are looking for.

Tell me again that coaching and situation don’t have anything to do with the success of the player.

You know Johnny is special, right? Do you really think that Monahan and Bennett have been put in the same position to succeed?

A guy on the third line playing with plugs is not going to put up first line numbers.

Bennett doesn’t suck, and the Flames have been unsuccessful in developing the asset.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I know Monahan has grown in production from year 2 forward. And has developed better than Bennett. But please consider the facts. Your statement above is wrong

Compare their rookie seasons.
Monahan has 21 G 34 points in 75 games, Bennett had 18 G 36 pts in 77. Comparable.
Monahan had among his line mates Hudler who was not over the hill then, he was a 50+ point producer. And sometimes Stempniak and Cammalleri , who were both over 30 points in the lockout shortened season.
Bennett had usually Backlund and Frolik

Monahan - Year 2, Hartley puts Monahan with Gaudreau as his linemate, and Hudler.
Bennett - Year 2, Gulutzan puts Bennett with Versteeg, Brouwer, Chiasson, Bollig. Now there are the over the hill wingers you are looking for.

Tell me again that coaching and situation don’t have anything to do with the success of the player.

You know Johnny is special, right? Do you really think that Monahan and Bennett have been put in the same position to succeed?

A guy on the third line playing with plugs is not going to put up first line numbers.

Bennett doesn’t suck, and the Flames have been unsuccessful in developing the asset.

I was going to use Mikael Backlund as a counterexample to this point.
He spent a lot of time on the 3rd and 4th lines when he was just started to develop.

But really, Backlund is more similar to Bennett than I thought. In Backlund's first 4 seasons with the Flames, he only had 62 points in 170 games.
In Bennett's first 3 seasons, he had 88 points in in 240 games.

Really, these totals aren't that far off in terms of production. Bennett arguably had to player in deeper forward groups, resulting in stiffer competition.
Backlund wasn't a great player until the 15-16, when he was 26 years old.
I'm glad we didn't give up on Backlund. I remember when Boomer was saying that he didn't think Backlund would be in the NHL by 2015.

Bennett will spend more time with skilled guys this year. Whether it's Frolik, Dube, Ryan, Czarnik, Neal, or Jankowski, his line-mates will likely have more skill than they did last year. Will he be playing with Monahan and Gaudreau? No, probably not. But he should at least improve on last year.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

TBH he looks completely disinterested out there...

TBH this means nothing...

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Wow couldn't disagree more.

I think a kid that plays physical and takes too many penalties is likely trying too hard.

You're right that didn't come out right.
I think it's me that's becoming completely disinterested in his game.

[sureLoss]

HNIC:

Nylander is holding firm on his ask for a long term.
Bridge deal hasn't seriously contemplated.
Nylander can minimize loss of salary by having most of this year's salary paid out in a signing bonus.
Leafs are focused on $6 or $6.5 mil AAV

Marner is going to wait until Matthews sign

Ducks are not close to signing Ritchie.
Ducks offering a 3 year take it or leave it deal

Melnyk gave an impassioned speech to the league saying he wants to keep the Senators

Steve Mason may retire.
Was offered a low contract as a backup, but turned it down

[transplant99]

Friedman also said he believes that Matthews will sign for more money than Tavares.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If JT got 11, Matthews won't get more than that. Tavares took less to be in Toronto, and he is the biggest free agent in NHL history. Matthews isn't going to get more just because Peter Chiarelli sucks at his job.

Toronto should wait for Marner to score 70 points before he gets Draisaitl (lol) money. He probably comes in somewhere between $6.5-$7.5 - he's not a generational talent.

$27M between those three seems.manageable.

Sign Nylander now, and trade the lesser of Marner/Nylander for the defenseman they need. Doesn't seem like a terrible position. Their window is open for the next seven years.

Are you really trying to argue 27M vs. 30M? I think you are low but still.

Leafs are gonna be capped out soon and have some decisions to make there is no debate even if 84 point Tavares is such a great guy for only taking 11M of cap space.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Friedman also said he believes that Matthews will sign for more money than Tavares.

That team is going to be more top heavy than the Oilers. You can see they still aren't a complete team with all these players as they can't play defense worth a lick.

[codynw]

I don't understand why both sides don't use David Pastrnak as a comparable. Cap has gone up a bit, but Pastrnak is a better player...

[jonkaupp]

soooo.... hate to get into this after a win but who are realistic goalie targets this early in the season? I think we’re badly going to need a 1A to Smiths 1B because his play so far is worrisome.