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Old 11-25-2020, 09:55 AM   #5881
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That's crazy - so up to 1100 people are able to gather indoors at a church, but I can't go to my sister's house once, to see her family where there will be 6 of us. Makes tons of sense!
I'm with you a million per cent on that. Churches remaining open is so fataing dumb it's insane. And being open is one thing...the fact that people are dumb enough to actually go is doubly disappointing. What could possess somebody to walk into a building with that many people to hear hogwash during a pandemic? They all have the textbook and could study at home, anyway. I have the book FFS and I'm not even religious.
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Wow, that's bonkers. If you think about it, sitting on a bench with 1/3rd as many people just means instead of being shoulder to shoulder, you are still probably less than a meter away from the next person. This is totally unnecessary, and should be shut down. I'm sorry to those who believe they need this, but we need to do better here. Take a few weeks off. Your God will forgive you.
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Work really GMG. As head of IT infrastructure I was told to prepare for everyone working from home in case of another lockdown, which I've been doing for the past week. But because the new measures aren't a full lockdown, there's been zero further communication from the CEO, so it's business as usual. Nevermind the declaration of a public health emergency, the encouraging of businesses to allow remote work, or the fact that we all worked from home for 3 months during the first lockdown without issue. We can't even work remotely voluntarily, everyone has to be in the office downtown without exception. So stupid
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Old 11-25-2020, 10:00 AM   #5884
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Wow, that's bonkers. If you think about it, sitting on a bench with 1/3rd as many people just means instead of being shoulder to shoulder, you are still probably less than a meter away from the next person. This is totally unnecessary, and should be shut down. I'm sorry to those who believe they need this, but we need to do better here. Take a few weeks off. Your God will forgive you.

Isnt there still a requirement to distance 6 feet? That was my understanding.
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Old 11-25-2020, 10:02 AM   #5885
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lol at calling the government banning guests in my home a half measure. That's nucking futs. A year ago it would be unfathomable to think this is where we'd be today that I - as an adult in Canada - don't have a say about who comes into my home. And $1000 fine for walking around without a face mask or closing my kids' school and making them learn from home - like, on what planet are these half measures?

WTF are you even talking about? I voted NDP. I think Kenney has been completely MIA for the last few weeks. The last set of measures before these ones were pathetic and did nothing. Last night's announcement, though? The new measures will help and they were smarter than I could come up with when I challenged myself to make a better plan.

Balancing the economy against our health needs is important. It sounds ####ty to say, but the economy can't be ignored. This struck a great balance and is a good starting point IMO. Should have been done a month or more ago, but let's deal with where we are right now. Kenney apparently wants to start governing again and that's good. If we need to push the measures harder we can do that, but at least he came out with a plan that's definitely reasonable.

Partisan people are so fataing weird. Kenney's done a #### job in recent months. Last night he did well and introduced measures to helps us all at a political cost to himself. I'm giving him credit for that.
You make a good point about them banning gatherings at your home. I won't have any faith in these rules until I know it's being enforced. People will still gather at homes. I hope I'm wrong.

I think the biggest thing wrong with what they've done is that we have no contact tracing, and no app.

The moves they made other than changes to school are pretty much nothing unless they are enforced which I have my doubts about.

They've already said schools and retail businesses/restaurants aren't the source of significant transmission so they had better be enforcing indoor gatherings like crazy.
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Work really GMG. As head of IT infrastructure I was told to prepare for everyone working from home in case of another lockdown, which I've been doing for the past week. But because the new measures aren't a full lockdown, there's been zero further communication from the CEO, so it's business as usual. Nevermind the declaration of a public health emergency, the encouraging of businesses to allow remote work, or the fact that we all worked from home for 3 months during the first lockdown without issue. We can't even work remotely voluntarily, everyone has to be in the office downtown without exception. So stupid
Brutal, dude.
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Isnt there still a requirement to distance 6 feet? That was my understanding.
Social distancing doesn't do anything when you have a large group of people in an enclosed space for a long period of time, there's been quite a few studies showing that
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Work really GMG. As head of IT infrastructure I was told to prepare for everyone working from home in case of another lockdown, which I've been doing for the past week. But because the new measures aren't a full lockdown, there's been zero further communication from the CEO, so it's business as usual. Nevermind the declaration of a public health emergency, the encouraging of businesses to allow remote work, or the fact that we all worked from home for 3 months during the first lockdown without issue. We can't even work remotely voluntarily, everyone has to be in the office downtown without exception. So stupid
This is the #### that gets to me about the latest restrictions. Should have been firmer requirements on businesses. If you can work from home you need to work from home. Period. There is no reason for a lot of downtown to have people taking transit or being in office towers...
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Isnt there still a requirement to distance 6 feet? That was my understanding.
Think of it this way, the more places you allow for spread to take place, the more infections you have. And with that, it means you need to keep businesses restricted for longer, kids out of school, and hospitals more stressed. That's the trade off here. It's actually mind boggling. Church is 100% a "nice to have". It isn't a necessity. Certainly not for 3 weeks. Lets make some smart choices, here.

If your looking for the pandering to a base from Kenney, I don't think you need to look farther than this policy.
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Balancing the economy against our health needs is important. It sounds ####ty to say, but the economy can't be ignored. This struck a great balance and is a good starting point IMO. Should have been done a month or more ago, but let's deal with where we are right now.

Something that should have been done a month or more ago is now inadequate, not a 'good starting point.' This isn't like planting a tree, what is a good starting point is dependent on where we are, not where we were a month ago or two weeks ago, or one week ago.



The partisan aspects are trying to blame the federal government for shortcomings, and ignoring federal government assistance programs for individuals (CRB, CRCB, CRSB) and businesses (CEWS, CEBA, RRRF, etc) that would absolutely help people deal with stricter rules in place. That's ####ty, partisan governing.



If the government is so concerned about balancing the economy and recovery, make that balancing act easier by assisting businesses so that recovery can happen faster. It doesn't have to be done alone, stack programs on top of the federal ones.
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Here's an opinion column from a noted leftist rag..... *Checks notes* The Globe and Mail??

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ck-to-failure/

There isn't a lot of disagree with. Half measures that still put the onus on personal responsibility.
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You make a good point about them banning gatherings at your home. I won't have any faith in these rules until I know it's being enforced. People will still gather at homes. I hope I'm wrong.
Sadly I agree with you.

Based on Comments sections and Social media it is clear to me that a large number of the "My Freedom" gang will ignore this requirement.
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You make a good point about them banning gatherings at your home. I won't have any faith in these rules until I know it's being enforced. People will still gather at homes. I hope I'm wrong.

I think the biggest thing wrong with what they've done is that we have no contact tracing, and no app.

The moves they made other than changes to school are pretty much nothing unless they are enforced which I have my doubts about.

They've already said schools and retail businesses/restaurants aren't the source of significant transmission so they had better be enforcing indoor gatherings like crazy.
Yeah, enforcement will be big. I do recall from a sociology and crime course I took in university that basically all laws are self enforced anyway, though. I mean, it's not like there's a cop hiding around every corner to bust us, but we all generally follow the law, anyway. There is a lot of stuff I'd do that is against the law, so I don't do it or at least temper what I would do in absence of the rules. Some people will still break the rules, but at least now there is the option of a penalty.

I've had trouble getting my shop staff to wear masks. They basically haven't been willing to unless I'm standing there forcing them. We have barriers between workers, but there were still too many interactions that should have been masked that weren't. This morning I walked in, posted the new rules on the board, and everyone put on a mask without batting an eye. When masks were optional they wouldn't wear them. Kenney just had to say a few words and now all of my staff (including me) are safer. I realize that's anecdotal, but in my little world it's great to see these rules that give me more power to enforce safety here.

I guess we'll know what sort of difference yesterday's new measures will make starting in about four weeks.
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Your shop must be located in the Calgary or Edmonton area
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So on a positive note, ski hills are still open.

The kids are off for an extended time and we can ski.

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Something that should have been done a month or more ago is now inadequate, not a 'good starting point.' This isn't like planting a tree, what is a good starting point is dependent on where we are, not where we were a month ago or two weeks ago, or one week ago.

The partisan aspects are trying to blame the federal government for shortcomings, and ignoring federal government assistance programs for individuals (CRB, CRCB, CRSB) and businesses (CEWS, CEBA, RRRF, etc) that would absolutely help people deal with stricter rules in place. That's ####ty, partisan governing.

If the government is so concerned about balancing the economy and recovery, make that balancing act easier by assisting businesses so that recovery can happen faster. It doesn't have to be done alone, stack programs on top of the federal ones.
I wouldn't be opposed to going further with measures, but obviously there are others that don't want to go as far as we did. This does seem like a decent balance to me (with some exceptions).

And yeah, you actually do need to start somewhere. This morning we are doing more to slow the spread than we were yesterday morning, so to me this is a good starting point. For the past few weeks I've been completely confused as to why we weren't do anything meaningful whatsoever to slow the spread.
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I'm in the camp that we didn't go far enough, but we won't know for 3-4 weeks if it has any effect. I'll be more than willing to eat crow if this actually works, I just think we've gone with the slow band-aid peel, which could hurt more economically in the long run than a hard shutdown of 28 days.
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Last night when you watch Kenney talk about how social gatherings are such a problem (no kidding), yet recall how he could have done something about that 2 weeks ago, it really makes you wonder how someone can be so dense.

These restrictions would have been effective 3-4 weeks ago, but now I would say the best case would be that things don't get substantially worse than they are now in a few weeks time.
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Is this not a death knell for restaurants/pubs/bars? It will all depend on enforcement, I suppose. This seems like an ugly grey area of uncertainty for operators (compared to takeout only). It will be interesting to see what happens at places like Craft this FRI/SAT...
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This is the dumbest post in the history of the internet. And it happened on CP and I was around to see it. What are the chances?
Actually I agree with him. As usual, for all our smugness and airs of superiority, it will be the Americans who bail us out of this mess again.
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