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Old 10-19-2021, 03:27 PM   #4061
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It's never lupus.
I did 23andme and came up heterozygous for Familial Mediterranean Fever. I've been trying to convince my aunt to get testing to see if might not be Lupus....she won't do so and remains convinced its Lupus.

(Yes I know this is a TV quote)
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Old 10-19-2021, 03:41 PM   #4062
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I did 23andme and came up heterozygous for Familial Mediterranean Fever. I've been trying to convince my aunt to get testing to see if might not be Lupus....she won't do so and remains convinced its Lupus.

(Yes I know this is a TV quote)
Haha, I was just making a flippant remark (which you obviously understood), but then it turns out that it might actually not be Lupus after all! House was right!
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:05 PM   #4063
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Remember when we had a poster telling us about the UK measures for dealing with covid and how we should consider them. Ooof

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hs-since-march
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:20 PM   #4064
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...infection.html

Someone want to dig into this? Thoughts?

No I am not anti-vaxx, so screw off if you can't handle a discussion like this.

What exactly do you want to discuss? Seems like a logical solution. Those people should still get vaccinated to be safe.
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:33 PM   #4065
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Well for starters, its becoming clear that we don't clearly understand natural immunity, and how effective it is.

We already know COVID isn't going away.

We already know the vaccine effectiveness will wane over time.

Are we going to effectively ask people to get booster shots for the rest of their lives and go with the mandate to fire them if they don't?

I doubt it. There are already medical concerns for certain demographics with the booster shot.

So where does that leave us a year from now when our vaccine isn't as effective? Booster for everyone with a mandate, or booster for those that are most at risk, and a better understanding for natural immunity & treatments for everyone else?

Hopefully the vaccine is effective for longer than has been suggested, which does seem to be the case, but it won't be effective forever.
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Old 10-19-2021, 04:39 PM   #4066
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Travis Twitt (misspelling intentional) is cancelling concerts in venues that require vaccinations and masks.

I’m sure his fan is disappointed.
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Old 10-19-2021, 06:41 PM   #4067
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It absolutely is terrifying for the fully unvaccinated. Almost 1 in 3 Delta deaths are in the unvaccinated population. But if I'm reading that right, it's more terrifying for the fully vaccinated who account almost 2 in 3 of Delta deaths in the UK. And I'm one of the fully vaccinated.


Very high vaccination range absolutely has to be taken into consideration. As the other poster mentioned in the Reuters piece, they mentioned "of course most of the deaths are in the vaccination population, they account for most of the population." Which scares the crap out of me because that means these vaccines aren't what we thought they were and aren't AS effective against the Delta variant. Is does, however, seem to be doing wonders against the Alpha variant.

What percentage of vaccinated with covid die, and what percentage of unvaccinated with covid die? The former will be a significantly smaller number than the latter. Vaccines reduce the likelihood of death, full stop.
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Well for starters, its becoming clear that we don't clearly understand natural immunity, and how effective it is.

We already know COVID isn't going away.

We already know the vaccine effectiveness will wane over time.

Are we going to effectively ask people to get booster shots for the rest of their lives and go with the mandate to fire them if they don't?

I doubt it. There are already medical concerns for certain demographics with the booster shot.

So where does that leave us a year from now when our vaccine isn't as effective? Booster for everyone with a mandate, or booster for those that are most at risk, and a better understanding for natural immunity & treatments for everyone else?

Hopefully the vaccine is effective for longer than has been suggested, which does seem to be the case, but it won't be effective forever.
If hospitals are threatened and exponential growths produce daily death rates similar to today then yes mandates for boosters will remain. If this becomes the flu then mandates go away.
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Old 10-19-2021, 09:24 PM   #4069
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I'm surprised at how nobody ever talks about expanding hospital and ICU capacities (and yes hiring more doctors, nurses, etc.).

Doing things like they do in the states such as actually hiring nursing practitioners who are absolutely definitely capable of doing much if not exactly the work doctors do.

You know, actually sending more money into health care.

Does anyone think the costs to society and the economy are not worth the additional investment of what would be required to just expand capacities?

This is never discussed except once or twice by CliffFletcher who stated a couple times about how yes, we have known for a long time that the ICU capacity in Canada was woefully inadequate. Well, fix it. This problem is here to stay, obviously.
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Old 10-19-2021, 09:31 PM   #4070
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When the talk over the last wave was heavily focused on ICU capacity being 186% above base, I couldn't help but reflect that we are coming up on two years of dealing with covid, and the government has done nothing to bolster the health care system, and in fact have done a few things (attacking nurses, driving doctors out of rural areas, EMS fiasco, ect) to substantially weaken it. Kenney kills.
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I'm surprised at how nobody ever talks about expanding hospital and ICU capacities (and yes hiring more doctors, nurses, etc.).

Doing things like they do in the states such as actually hiring nursing practitioners who are absolutely definitely capable of doing much if not exactly the work doctors do.

You know, actually sending more money into health care.

Does anyone think the costs to society and the economy are not worth the additional investment of what would be required to just expand capacities?

This is never discussed except once or twice by CliffFletcher who stated a couple times about how yes, we have known for a long time that the ICU capacity in Canada was woefully inadequate. Well, fix it. This problem is here to stay, obviously.
I would question with growth being exponential would that have actually helped or would it have just delayed the implementation of restrictions but not overall duration of the restrictions?

It seems like most jurisdictions reached hospital capacities regardless of what they are. I wonder if there is good analysis showing that increased icu capacity is correlated with shorter duration of restrictions.
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I'm surprised at how nobody ever talks about expanding hospital and ICU capacities (and yes hiring more doctors, nurses, etc.).

Doing things like they do in the states such as actually hiring nursing practitioners who are absolutely definitely capable of doing much if not exactly the work doctors do.

You know, actually sending more money into health care.

Does anyone think the costs to society and the economy are not worth the additional investment of what would be required to just expand capacities?

This is never discussed except once or twice by CliffFletcher who stated a couple times about how yes, we have known for a long time that the ICU capacity in Canada was woefully inadequate. Well, fix it. This problem is here to stay, obviously.

Does anyone know what the previous pre-covid peak sustained ICU load, for example during flu season?
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