Emile Fricken' Poirier

[macrov]

Originally Posted by moon

Corey Perry didn't play in OHL when he was 20. You are off on your years.

He played 16, 17, 18 and 19.

When he was 20 he was in AHL.

Perry's 139 point season is comparable to Poiriers in terms of age.

No, I'm not.

Perry was drafted in 2003. So 03/04 would be the best comparable to Poirier this year.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The fact that Poirier plays in the QMJHL, where scoring a point/game is a pretty average achievement, likely also inflates his numbers in comparisons against OHL players.

This really isn't true anymore.

Just a random slot.. but the 20th scorer in the Q has 54 points, in the WHL has 55 points and in the OHL has 61 points.

Poirer's 66 points rank him 8th in the Q, it would be 5th in the WHL and 8th in the OHL.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by macrov

No, I'm not.

Perry was drafted in 2003. So 03/04 would be the best comparable to Poirier this year.

Porier is a late birthday so he was drafted a year later than Perry.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Agreed, but with the rather notable caveat that his NHL success was attributed almost entirely to his incredible straight-ahead foot-speed. Lombardi tantalised fans with how many odd-man opportunities he would generate or become part of, simply because he skated faster than everyone else on the ice. However, his problem was a frustrating lack of finish.

I will say this again: Lombardi is an very, VERY poor comparable player from which to project expectations for Poirier. Poirier has similar skating abilities, but he is bigger, stronger, handles the puck better, is a better shooter and passer, and thinks the game at a higher level. Poirier is better in practically every respect than Lombardi was, and it's not even that close.



I don't share macrov's projection of Poirier as a franchise winger. My point in posting was to show how utterly horrible your comparison was between Poirier and Lombardi. If Poirier turns out to be not much better than Lombardi, then we should consider this pick something of a bust. The good news is that he has everything going for him to suggest that he will be a top-six winger.

Just a terrible, terrible comparison.


I disagree. Based on his skill set and his development curve to date, we should expect Poirier to be a top six winger, with the potential to be a top-line—perhaps even elite—winger. We should not expect less than this, and if he tops out on the third line, people should be disappointed.

I feel this is suggesting Lombardi was not a top six player. During his prime years of 2008-2010, he was definitely a top six player for both us and the 'Yotes. Heck, it could be argued our top six never recovered in 08-09 when we traded him for Jokinen. He put up 46 points in 69 games that year, and the 53 in 78 the next year. Unfortunately concussions killed the potential he was beginning to show.

First round picks (especially outside the top ten) are not guarantees, and I may not be as old as most of you, but I remember the hype we had around Lombo when he put up 120 points in the Q in 01-02.

My point is we need to temper expectations on our prospects. And if Poirier turns into a more consistent Matt Lombardi with more grit and better hands, we'll have a great player on our hands.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Porier is a late birthday so he was drafted a year later than Perry.

Yes, but there is less than 6m from poiriers Dec bday to Perry's May bday...so while neither comparison is perfect, its more correct to compare 03-04 perry to 13-14 poirier.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This really isn't true anymore.

Just a random slot.. but the 20th scorer in the Q has 54 points, in the WHL has 55 points and in the OHL has 61 points.

Poirer's 66 points rank him 8th in the Q, it would be 5th in the WHL and 8th in the OHL.

Wow...crazy how things change. When did this happen?

[moon]

Originally Posted by macrov

No, I'm not.

Perry was drafted in 2003. So 03/04 would be the best comparable to Poirier this year.

You said it was Perry's 20 year old season he never played in his 20 year old season so yes you are wrong.

If you want to make up parameters to fit your argument fine but don't say it was Perry's 17 18 19 20 year old seasons when those are totally wrong.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by moon

You said it was Perry's 20 year old season he never played in his 20 year old season so yes you are wrong.

If you want to make up parameters to fit your argument fine but don't say it was Perry's 17 18 19 20 year old seasons when those are totally wrong.

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At the end of the day, I made the right comparison

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One player turned 19 in December, the other in May. That's less than 6 months apart, so I compared relative to their draft years, which is the norm for most player comparisons and less biased. <removed insult> And technically the knights went far enough into the playoffs that Perry probably turned 19 during that season.

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[albertGQ]

Perry never played in the OHL as an overager.

There's no debate about that.

[moon]

I am not sure what your point is here or why you need to get personal but as albert said he never played his 20 year old season in the OHL as you said he did. That isn't me saying stuff to make me happy it is a fact that can't be debated.

Most people compare seasons of guys at the same age i.e. 19 year old season to 19 year old season because in junior the age of the players are quite important and is why we see undrafted 20 year olds put up huge numbers and then do nothing else with their careers.

[Wastedyouth]

Smilie faces are so passive aggressive.

[Flame12]

will watch tonight game on Sportsnet to see how he does at least we get to see him in action.

[lanny9]

Missed the game, how did he do?

[Tinordi]

I see him as a Darren Helm type player with, hopefully, alot more edge.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by lanny9

Missed the game, how did he do?

Looked OK, not outstanding. I was surprised he wasn't chosen to be one of the shooters in a very long shoot-out.

[You Need a Thneed]

4 goals for Porier tonight.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

4 goals for Porier tonight.

Yeah, so did Eric Nystrom

[Money Baer]

Poirier also matched last years point totals (70) tonight in 17 fewer games!

His 4th goal might have been the GOTY in the CHL! It was that good!

[Money Baer]

I'm new to these boards, so i'm not sure how to post videos... but here is Emile Poirier's 4G game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REoHMfONeQU

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Money Baer

I'm new to these boards, so i'm not sure how to post videos... but here is Emile Poirier's 4G game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REoHMfONeQU

Welcome aboard.

You type [ youtube ] REoHMfONeQU [/ youtube ] without the spaces (the part in the middle is the part of the youtube URL after the =