Dellow: Flames take on risk for the peace of mind of not having Dougie Hamilton
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Calgary is, in my view, taking a significant risk that they’ve acquired two expensive players who will never be difference makers. In order for this trade to work well for them, they probably need to have one of those players be something that they haven’t yet proven that they are.
I always laugh when I hear extreme statements like ‘two expensive players who will never be difference makers’ and the athletic is brutal for over the top assertions like this. Was William Karlsson an impact ‘difference maker’ before he exploded with the VGN this year?
Lindholm is 23 with a great consistent start to his career.. lots of room to grow before he even hits his peak seasons... even more so with Hanifin who is 21... you cant assume he won’t be a difference maker at this stage and he already has more than a solid start to his career; numbers wise almost identical to Hamilton’s start of his career through his first 3 seasons... was Hamilton a ‘difference maker’ to this guy who wrote that article when Boston traded him?
Just a stupid article that is more over click bait and I can’t believe they expect people to pay for that full story of garbage.
Believe it or not, Dellow seems to be a well-respected writer at a well-respected organization. It is a good article, even if the headline is a little dramatic.
Yeah this trade was always going to get blasted by the "twitter" media.
They love Hamilton. Love his advanced stats, love the shot contributions, and look at how strong Gio & him were at driving play. And they are not wrong in those assertions.
What I think people are missing is that Hanifin is also pretty good at all that stuff. They were the 2nd pairing so they didn't face other teams top lines but him and TVR had pretty good advanced stats as well and that one chart posted yesterday showed that in an individual contribution perspective that Hanifin is actually very similar to Hamilton with stuff like puck retirevals, zone exits, etc.
The Flames did give up a lot in this trade but I feel like people are missing that you usually need to overpay for 21 year old, 5th overall picks, that have already been to an all-star game and put up 30 points last year. Plus add in another 23 year old, 5th overall pick that is a consistent 40 point guy at the age of 23.
So sure the Flames did give up a lot of value in this trade, and they do need to hope these guys take another step but I feel like most 21/23 year olds that have already succeeded at the NHL level tend to develop and grow as players in their mid-20s - and comparing just what they did last year to what Hamilton did last year may not be a fair assessment of the deal.
Also if what was said at the media availability yesterday is true and Fox's agent told Treliving that he wasn't signing with any team before free agency and was finishing his time at Harvard then his value would have plummeted. Would have been lucky to get a 3rd or 4th for him at that point.
And outside of the headline that is actually a really good article from Dellow.
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Believe it or not, Dellow seems to be a well-respected writer at a well-respected organization. It is a good article, even if the headline is a little dramatic.
A little dramatic? Dellow is writing off a 21-year-old defence man who led his team in scoring from the blue line and played in the All Star Game. That is not a little dramatic. That is typical of what I remember of Dellow: jaded and myopic.
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A little dramatic? Dellow is writing off a 21-year-old defence man who led his team in scoring from the blue line and played in the All Star Game. That is not a little dramatic. That is typical of what I remember of Dellow: jaded and myopic.
Dellow really didn't do that if you read the article. He's simply saying that given precedence, it is extremely unlikely he ever becomes as good as Hamilton right now. He notes that Hanifin was given a little more freedom last season but was still sheltered after being extremely sheltered the two seasons prior.
That doesn't mean he can't turn into a star (he is not a star, regardless of what the all-star fan vote says), but that seems like a massive risk from the Flames perspective, especially considering what was given up.
Is it true Treliving said Fox’s advisor told him he wouldn’t sign with anybody before he was able to hit UFA? That is certainly very disappointing but if true also reduces Fox’s value to that of a throw in in almost any trade.
Too though we have to consider that Hamonic is >>> TVR
There is a very good chance that Hanifin continues his upward trajectory for a 3rd straight season; both these guys at 6 x 5 mill would be amazing value contracts by year’s 3 and the long term improvement to the core in acquiring them can’t be undervalued here either.
Did we give up the current best player in the deal? Yep
Did we get two highly skilled assets to lockup for 6+ years at a great number? Yep
Hamilton has 3 years remaining, 2 years until extension talks of 8 to 10 million if he’s who all the people dissing the trade think he is. Ferland needs to be locked up in a year and both are 3 or 4 years older than their counterparts in the deal.
If a never gonna sign here Fox was the tipping point of the trade happening or not than so be it - Nashville waiting out Vesey turned into a 4th round pick from Buffalo (who still couldn’t sign him BTW so there’s a great chance Fox waits out the canes too)
People need to step back and truly look at the players involved and their year’s left / values - especially after the RFA contracts for Lindholm and Hanifin are signed. To me this is nothing close to the worst trade in history for the flames which I’ve actually read more than once and it actually has the potential (Rick Ball!) to become one of the best trades for the club.
I don't really understand how Lindholm could be looking at ~$5 million per season when JT Miller, who is significantly better, just got $5.25 million AAV.
To me, that puts Lindholm at around $4.25 million.
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A little dramatic? Dellow is writing off a 21-year-old defence man who led his team in scoring from the blue line and played in the All Star Game. That is not a little dramatic. That is typical of what I remember of Dellow: jaded and myopic.
He was just on 960 for about 15 minutes discussing this. He didn't dismiss Hanifin only emphasized that Hamilton was the best player in the trade and the Flames have to hope that Hanifin can be as good while Carolina knows what they have in Hamilton. They also discussed Treliving's obsession with character (and Montreal) and how character is overrated when it comes to winning cups as Kessel is kind of an oddball guy (like Hamilton) but he was worth it to the Penguins for their two Stanley Cups and Subban may not be the greatest locker room guy but you can't dismiss that the Predators two most successful seasons have come with him on the team and that winning is more important than guys hanging out together.
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