[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He also stated, without saying as much, that Hamilton was an issue either because of his off ice life or his on ice performance and inability to meld in with the club or there was a trade demand. At least that's what I came away from it feeling.

Dougie didn't handle the Freddie trade very well, apparently.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Fox being unwilling to sign is a good reason to trade his rights. It is not a good reason to treat him as little more than a throw-in.

Hanifin > Hamilton
Lindholm > Ferland

Fox isn't a throw in, he balances things out.

If he turns into less than a top 4 defender this is a clear and decisive flames win.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

From what I am reading here there were a lot of CPers who shared my opinion of Hamilton.

No, their opinion is that Hanifin v. Hamilton isn't the ripoff some others were claiming. I haven't read anything saying Hamilton sucked. Because he didn't.

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Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I assume this was a joke?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by jg13

Are there any quotes or interviews from Hanifin or Lindholm yet?

Hanifin was on Sportsnet 960. I'm sure there'll be a clip up on their site shortly.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Hanifin interview
https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-big...uldnt-excited/


Lindholm interview might have to wait a little bit with Sweden just losing in the world cup

BT said Lindholm was AT the game....so he is in Russia somewhere if true.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Flames young core Johnny, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Hanifin, Bennett.

Now that's a nice young core moving forward.

Jankowski

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hanifin > Hamilton
Lindholm > Ferland

Fox isn't a throw in, he balances things out.

If he turns into less than a top 4 defender this is a clear and decisive flames win.

Well, Fox is already moot from the Flames side of the trade as it was just revealed that he wasn't signing here. He was zero value asset for us that we used to get this deal done.

So from our side it's Hamilton/Ferland for Hanifin/Lindhom

[bob-loblaw]

Fox wouldn't sign here, but gets shipped to Carolina, the American hockey team equivalent of Ottawa. I'm quite happy with Treliving for doing that.

[keenan87]

"And we are excited Noah is excited to be in Calgary"

As clear as it can get imo. Hamilton didn't want to stay here.

[metroneck]

On the surface I was left thinking ‘surely there is a 2nd rounder coming our way too’, considering our trading partner is desperate to make a splash.

Obviously there is more to the story. One of the biggest issues plaguing this group has been stepping up when things get tough. Whatever Dougie ‘issues’ aside, I am going to assume that Peters feels that Lindholm and Hanifin have very high GAF.

[jayswin]

The other important thing to remember is to step back from the value of the assets and think about what Ferland and Hamilton represent and what Treliving said was going to change this summer;


These are two players that can play at a high level, but choose not to for significant periods of time. When Treliving said this last month I immediately thought of these two names.

I think these two players were being traded this summer regardless of whether it was this trade or another.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

Fox wouldn't sign here, but gets shipped to Carolina, the American hockey team equivalent of Ottawa. I'm quite happy with Treliving for doing that.

Well he is an East coast kid, so my guess is that Carolina actually has a much better chance of signing him than Calgary would.

Im guessing his "representatives" were his parents and they likely didn't want him going so far from home as opposed to being out East and/or completing his degree at Harvard.

[calumniate]

Well we didn't burn any draft picks yet. Win?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Riding shotgun to Gaudreau and Monahan may be a welcome change of scenery for young Elias

I was most happy hearing in Noah Hanifin’s interview that he is really good friends with both Gaudreau and Tkachuk. This is a big “chemistry” trade, and I think having a player like Hanifin in the fold long term also dramatically improves the Flames’s ability to keep Gaudreau past his current deal. Chemistry matters.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Congrats?

Ignore him.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don't think we can assume the issues with Hamilton were about his relationship with his teammates. It seems it was more management and coaches were frustrated with him. Needing his brother on the team, the complaining before he was put on the top pairing with Gio, taking loads of undisciplined penalties in his own zone, the impression that he didn't accept responsibility for his mistakes. Even little things like not showing up for the mandatory media session on garbage bag day - it's not as though the other players enjoy those things. It all speaks to someone who is highly entitled and doesn't listen or learn from others.

Literally everything in this post is speculation/rumour.

Typically when fans/media go to these lengths to justify trades, it's to justify losing a trade - just like the Boston media did in 2015.

[Krynn]

Originally Posted by keenan87

"And we are excited Noah is excited to be in Calgary"

As clear as it can get imo. Hamilton didn't want to stay here.

Plus he's buddy's with Johnny and Matthew

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by jayswin

The other important thing to remember is to step back from the value of the assets and think about what Ferland and Hamilton represent and what Treliving said was going to change this summer;


These are two players that can play at a high level, but choose not to for significant periods of time. When Treliving said this last month I immediately thought of these two names.

I think these two players were being traded this summer regardless of whether it was this trade or another.

Yep, and honestly, the radio crews have been relentless in setting this up without spilling the beans since the season ended. "Oh you'll be surprised who it is once they're moved".

Relentless Dougie speculation. I mean f the people actually listened, they'd knew it was coming.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Well, Fox is already moot from the Flames side of the trade as it was just revealed that he wasn't signing here. He was zero value asset for us that we used to get this deal done.

So from our side it's Hamilton/Ferland for Hanifin/Lindhom

He wasn't a zero asset value for us. That's like saying a dollar has zero value if you don't intend to spend it.