Brad Treliving needs to go

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How does this differentiate Treliving from any other GM? They all make mistakes that cost millions of dollars.

And these aren’t negligent mistakes like failing to know the CBA or something. They are strategies that didn’t work out for one reason or another, and that were taken because the GM thought they were the right thing to do.

Treliving may pay the price for a general lack of success, but not for individual mistakes like that.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How does this differentiate Treliving from any other GM? They all make mistakes that cost millions of dollars.

Of course it’s the internet so we all take a piss out if each other

But you surely can not deny that Tre has distinguished himself with his coach metrics (head coaches / yr)

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And these aren’t negligent mistakes like failing to know the CBA or something. They are strategies that didn’t work out for one reason or another, and that were taken because the GM thought they were the right thing to do.

Treliving may pay the price for a general lack of success, but not for individual mistakes like that.

Exactly. In the field of a registered professional, whether it is law, medicine, engineering, or architecture, one is held to a reasonable standard of care. Does an individual act to the same level of care that his/her peers would have. Murray Edwards, who has a law degree, would know this.

Treliving will very likely be shown the door eventually but, to date, it won’t be because of negligence or incompetence. He has done his job and then some, in my mind.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Of course it’s the internet so we all take a piss out if each other

But you surely can not deny that Tre has distinguished himself with his coach metrics (head coaches / yr)

Sure. We can question his selections, I won’t argue that, but I can also understand his thought process behind each one. It’s not like he hired his buddy who has been coaching junior B for the last decade.

Honestly, what would have been the reaction if Treliving hired rookie head coach Jarrod Bednar, or recycled coach Craig Berube?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its actually 5 coaches in 5 years.

Though some apparently "don't care"...just to get that out of the way.

5 coaches in 5 years?

Are you talking about Treliving?

This is his 4th coaching hire by my count.

1st one (Gulutzan) was a HUGE dud. A total flub

2nd one (Peters) led the team to 2nd overall in the NHL, got fired for something completely out of Treliving's control and had to be replaced mid season, so Treliving gave the interim tag to a very sharp, in house assistant

3rd hire (Ward) was another bad hire by Treliving, because although Ward had a decent record as the interim, he really dropped the ball during the Dallas series, especially at the end

Credit to Treliving, and Flames ownership for righting that wrong just 20-some games into a 2 year contract. And thank goodness Sutter decided to come out of retirement to take the job.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure. We can question his selections, I won’t argue that, but I can also understand his thought process behind each one. It’s not like he hired his buddy who has been coaching junior B for the last decade.

Yes and many people outlined the risks of each one. Many of which materialized, although Peters threw in a wild card bonus lower probability risk that wasn’t projected but did materialize

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Exactly. In the field of a registered professional, whether it is law, medicine, engineering, or architecture, one is held to a reasonable standard of care. Does an individual act to the same level of care that his/her peers would have. Murray Edwards, who has a law degree, would know this.

Treliving will very likely be shown the door eventually but, to date, it won’t be because of negligence or incompetence. He has done his job and then some, in my mind.

Right. I’m a lawyer, and we get sued if we miss a limitation date, because it’s basic and you have to know it. But if I’m wrong about a trial strategy that doesn’t pay off, it’s not something I can be sued over. If I lose over and over and over again, people won’t hire me.

Edwards was at my former firm but he took off to make money before I started there. But I did have dealings with him because he continued to use the firm for things, and I was very involved with him when he acquired Lake Louise and the related resorts out of CCAA.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yes and many people outlined the risks of each one. Many of which materialized, although Peters threw in a wild card bonus lower probability risk that wasn’t projected but did materialize

There’s risks with every coach. If there’s a polished gem out there, by all means, let us know.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

5 coaches in 5 years?

Are you talking about Treliving?

This is his 4th coaching hire by my count.

1st one (Gulutzan) was a HUGE dud. A total flub

2nd one (Peters) led the team to 2nd overall in the NHL, got fired for something completely out of Treliving's control and had to be replaced mid season, so Treliving gave the interim tag to a very sharp, in house assistant

3rd hire (Ward) was another bad hire by Treliving, because although Ward had a decent record as the interim, he really dropped the ball during the Dallas series, especially at the end

Credit to Treliving, and Flames ownership for righting that wrong just 20-some games into a 2 year contract. And thank goodness Sutter decided to come out of retirement to take the job.

Maybe some are counting his extension of Hartley, which I think he didn’t really want to do, but the PO win and Adams trophy kind of forced it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe some are counting his extension of Hartley, which I think he didn’t really want to do, but the PO win and Adams trophy kind of forced it.

Ah I see.

And I agree with you, I don't think Treliving wanted to extend Hartley, but making the playoffs, winning a round, an winning the Jack Adams definitely forced his hand.

As soon as the team back slid he was shown the door.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure. We can question his selections, I won’t argue that, but I can also understand his thought process behind each one. It’s not like he hired his buddy who has been coaching junior B for the last decade.

Honestly, what would have been the reaction if Treliving hired rookie head coach Jarrod Bednar, or recycled coach Craig Berube?

If anything, Treliving was going the way of a number of successful teams like Boston, TB, Pitt, who all went with guys with pretty limited NHL HC experience ( admittedly their minor or junior success was better than Ward or GG). And there were plenty of people even here who chanted “no retreads” at the time of the GG hire especially.

I think with the players’ commitment in question he had to go with a big name and boy did he ever.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ah I see.

And I agree with you, I don't think Treliving wanted to extend Hartley, but making the playoffs, winning a round, an winning the Jack Adams definitely forced his hand.

As soon as the team back slid he was shown the door.

I wonder who would have been hired but for the miracle success that year. Who was even available? Or would it have been GG one year earlier.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

There’s risks with every coach. If there’s a polished gem out there, by all means, let us know.

Not my job. I don’t hire them

And not really the point

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right. I’m a lawyer, and we get sued if we miss a limitation date, because it’s basic and you have to know it. But if I’m wrong about a trial strategy that doesn’t pay off, it’s not something I can be sued over. If I lose over and over and over again, people won’t hire me.

Edwards was at my former firm but he took off to make money before I started there. But I did have dealings with him because he continued to use the firm for things, and I was very involved with him when he acquired Lake Louise and the related resorts out of CCAA.

Interesting. Too bad he didn’t, or maybe wasn’t able to, do something with Lake Louise. Whenever I get the chance to go to Whistler, it leaves me wondering what could be....

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If anything, Treliving was going the way of a number of successful teams like Boston, TB, Pitt, who all went with guys with pretty limited NHL HC experience ( admittedly their minor or junior success was better than Ward or GG). And there were plenty of people even here who chanted “no retreads” at the time of the GG hire especially.

I think with the players’ commitment in question he had to go with a big name and boy did he ever.

At the risk of being labeled a heretic, I completely understand the GG hire. It didn’t work out, obviously, but I don’t think Treliving’s intentions were misplaced.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Interesting. Too bad he didn’t, or maybe wasn’t able to, do something with Lake Louise. Whenever I get the chance to go to Whistler, it leaves me wondering what could be....

It’s only the ski hill he owned. And I’m not sure he still has it - the original owner Charlie Locke reacquired some of the properties. And of course, the national park has a lot to do with development (or lack thereof).

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s only the ski hill he owned. And I’m not sure he still has it - the original owner Charlie Locke reacquired some of the properties. And of course, the national park has a lot to do with development (or lack thereof).

I have some work with Parks Canada. I have to say it’s pretty disappointing to see first hand how our tax dollars are being spent. It is actually unbelievable. Probably a discussion for another thread though,

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I have some work with Parks Canada. I have to say it’s pretty disappointing to see first hand how our tax dollars are being spent. It is actually unbelievable. Probably a discussion for another thread though,

We should have this discussion. I'm all for preservation of our natural wonders but these bureaucrats are in a league of their own.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ah I see.



And I agree with you, I don't think Treliving wanted to extend Hartley, but making the playoffs, winning a round, an winning the Jack Adams definitely forced his hand.



As soon as the team back slid he was shown the door.

This almost appears to be a pattern: it looks to me like Treliving is committed to rewarding achievement, even if it is not his first choice to do so. Did tbe same thing happen with Ward? The way that both Sutter and Treliving were talking today it sure sounded as though this is something that has been in the works for months.

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[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ah I see.

And I agree with you, I don't think Treliving wanted to extend Hartley, but making the playoffs, winning a round, an winning the Jack Adams definitely forced his hand.

As soon as the team back slid he was shown the door.

Should have been brutal like Masai firing Coach of the year Dwayne Casey, trading for a star, then winning the cup with a rookie coach.