Brad Treliving needs to go

[Flamesfan05]

The product speaks for itself

A bad team with no future

BT has to go. Sooner the better.

Bring someone new to rebuild

BT has no clue what a good team looks like

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

What's Tre prepared to do to save the season or his job? I would bring in a real coach asap and see if we can get more out of the players. At the very least a competent coach can focus on stability and winning games.

I really hope Tre doesn't start making desperation trades to try and save his job. That's a recipe for losing every deal, especially under covid circumstances.

Whoever's choice it was to give Ward the job permanently, I can't see them being willing to fire him before the first season of his new deal is even half over.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right but even they made pretty good sense at 4th line prices. We’ve always complained we spend too much on bottom line players (or guys who end up there). Stajan, Ryan, etc.

Agreed. Although I do like what Ryan brings to the team for the most part, Stajan as well. With the only caveat is the hope Simon and/Leivo expecting to make a contribution to the top 6. I get Simon played with Crosby occasionally, so I get the reasoning. As well as the potential in Leivo, whom had an injury and also the PK attributes of Nordstrom.

I get hindsight is 2020, however if one continues to make inferior decisions and moves, no matter if it was initially heralded to be a decent one, they should pay the price. In this case, he should bear the brunt of all of his combined failures. Coaching. Free agent work. Trades. Etc etc.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I really hope Tre doesn't start making desperation trades to try and save his job. That's a recipe for losing every deal, especially under covid circumstances.

Whoever's choice it was to give Ward the job permanently, I can't see them being willing to fire him before the first season of his new deal is even half over.

Not embarrass enough after tonight?

[Wolfman]

[Badgers Nose]

Chucky, good interview. Sounds like one of us.

[wired]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I am for a different hire, but it has to makes sense. Who would you guys want to hire as replacement?

I am thinking that not many coaches would want to risk their reputation coaching a team that has zero desire to play.
Might get Keenan back, but I would bet that a top tier coach would pass on this team at the moment.

[Manhattanboy]

We have our money goalie lined up for 5 more years (hoping his play does not decline).

So once you decide Tre is not the guy to re-build from there he needs to go.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

We have our money goalie lined up for 5 more years (hoping his play does not decline).

So once you decide Tre is not the guy to re-build from there he needs to go.

Yeah, no more burning up years of star contracts.

[robbie111]

Originally Posted by wired

I am thinking that not many coaches would want to risk their reputation coaching a team that has zero desire to play.
Might get Keenan back, but I would bet that a top tier coach would pass on this team at the moment.

Done Keenan how about Ted Nolan.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I am for a different hire, but it has to makes sense. Who would you guys want to hire as replacement?

Think the real question is what established coach would want to come to Calgary and have their career ruined by this group of snowflakes?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

What is spent on players is public domain. So fans get mad about ticket prices and such when the on ice spend is not matching up against what we have to pay. It's optics and PR.

Whereas the back office is a mystery to us. The team doesn't have to tell us contracts and terms. But we know they have taken passes on top people in favour of unproven people.

I agree that it doesn't add up.

Maybe ownership and BT don't think the coach matters much.

There's a number of posters here who have stated coaching is essentially pointless and only the players are responsible for their play, so maybe the teams head office is of that mindset too.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I thought there was depth as well, however Nordstrom, Simon and Leivo, who it appeared were supposed to be the depth are minimum salary players whom I am sure, nether player, had that many options for contracts this past offseason.

Scorp was onto something when he suggested we bring up some added skill. The idea of adding middling players is not working. Does this team have an team identity?. What are we, big, skilled fast?? If we can't answer that how can we implement a system that complements the players?

[ComixZone]

Wrong thread.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Maybe ownership and BT don't think the coach matters much.

There's a number of posters here who have stated coaching is essentially pointless and only the players are responsible for their play, so maybe the teams head office is of that mindset too.

Oh man that's brilliant!! Shut the #### up!

[Trojan97]

Not adding anything that hasn't already been said but I just really struggle with how so many in the fanbase/media continue to treat Treliving like he is a veteran gm with pedigree. He is a capable GM that will no doubt go somewhere else after Calgary and build a playoff calibre team. He might even take what he has learned here and become a great GM in his next stop. What is clear though is he is either unwilling or unable to get this team over the hump. The name bars on the back have changed but the on-ice play remains the same year after year. He has had opportunities to rework the core and he has declined/failed and unfortunately that is on him.

Time to move on and retool from the top down. You have a new building to build towards in a couple years. Let's do it right for once.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Scorp was onto something when he suggested we bring up some added skill. The idea of adding middling players is not working. Does this team have an team identity?. What are we, big, skilled fast?? If we can't answer that how can we implement a system that complements the players?

The Flames identity is “soft” and has been for a number of years.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Igottago

It doesn't really add up logically though. Why would they be okay with spending on player contracts, going after free agents, spending to the cap, but then hiring a more reputable coach is going to break their bank? I suppose it could be true, but it just doesn't make sense. Isn't the more likely scenario that Treliving just has his vision with what he wants in a coach, and none of them have worked out? I don't think ownership was behind him not interviewing several candidates etc. He seems to just think he knows what makes a good diamond in the rough coach and goes with that.

In other words... he lacks experience on how to build a contender and implement a proper coach! They say some people have to learn the hard way... Whose tires have been spinning for the last 7 years and we have been told it is part of the process..?

Brad should have hired a competent coach when he had the chance because if he did we would be looking at what kinds of players are actually needed to successfully fit the system.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Scorp was onto something when he suggested we bring up some added skill. The idea of adding middling players is not working. Does this team have an team identity?. What are we, big, skilled fast?? If we can't answer that how can we implement a system that complements the players?

It’s obvious the Flames don’t want to be a fast, heavy and hard hitting team. Especially being they have a few players who seem to want to play that way. I agree, what is the harm of giving a few skilled players a game or two.

The only issue I can see is that we really don’t have any blue chip offensive skilled players in the system. Phillips perhaps, but who else? As well, why not give Kylington a chance to play on his offside, being he had stated in the past he prefers it. Plus, he played the right side for most of his career prior to the AHL.

The team has been developing Kylington for years. Give the players the best chance to succeed.

Unless there is something in practice they are not liking.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

His dad makes ####ty pizza as well. #### that family!

I've had some good nights in the before times on "Fishbowl Friday"

Anyway, there's no way Brad gets another coach, right??