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Old 01-14-2018, 06:32 PM   #761
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Keep this thread alive all season, cause if the Flames miss the playoffs its Fire Gulutzan, Flames lose in the first round in a game 6-7 situation its maybe fire Gulutzan depending who comes up available.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:36 PM   #762
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I originally voted no but after recent events I’d like to change my vote to yes.
And if they lose 7 in a row coming out of the break?

The problem was always the inconsistency. One winning streak isn't enough to change my mind (yet).
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What are you talking about? Seriously, man.

The job of the GM is to set the roster...period. He does so, obvioulsy, within the parameters of consultation with all coaches, management etc. the bottom line however is that all roster decisions come down to the GM"s call.

Game day rosters are on the coach...thats it.
The job of the GM is to bring in players from which the coach builds a team he will play games with. The coach picks out of the 50 contracts that are available to him. I get that there are waiver considerations etc, but that did not apply to any of the change made this year. Most reasons why Janko wasnt here were poor excuses for a mistake.

There is no evidence that it was BT that wanted Janko in the AHL. It was a poor call on GG's part.
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Huge streak, I am willing to give him this season but if they scrape into the playoffs in a WC spot or miss the playoffs then its time to say good bye. Lately the PK has been unreal.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:41 PM   #765
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The job of the GM is to bring in players from which the coach builds a team he will play games with. The coach picks out of the 50 contracts that are available to him. I get that there are waiver considerations etc, but that did not apply to any of the change made this year. Most reasons why Janko wasnt here were poor excuses for a mistake.

There is no evidence that it was BT that wanted Janko in the AHL. It was a poor call on GG's part.


Dude...you are just....wrong.

It is ENTIRELY up to the GM on who gets contracts, who stays in Calgary and who gets sent down or waived.

It is standard operating procedure for each and every NHL team.
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For the record, I am not advocating that they make a coaching change during this streak. But if they go back to playing like they did a month ago then you have to consider it.
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For the record, I am not advocating that they make a coaching change during this streak. But if they go back to playing like they did a month ago then you have to consider it.
At this point its now a off-season move. I have a big feeling Joel Quenneville is going to be available.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:45 PM   #768
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Dude...you are just....wrong.

It is ENTIRELY up to the GM on who gets contracts, who stays in Calgary and who gets sent down or waived.

It is standard operating procedure for each and every NHL team.
Yes up to the GM to give contracts etc But it is the coach that sets the roster. It is the coach that says, so and so need to get sent down because I have better options.

Why is this even a discussion? Its beyond bizarre to think that the coach has no say which AHL players to keep to start he season and which vets to sit.
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Yes up to the GM to give contracts etc But it is the coach that sets the roster. It is the coach that says, so and so need to get sent down because I have better options.

Why is this even a discussion? Its beyond bizarre to think that the coach has no say which AHL players to keep to start he season and which vets to sit.
He has a say but the GM makes the decision
This is fact. Not an opinion. Not speculation. Fact
It’s a discussion because you are wrong and won’t admit it
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At this point its now a off-season move. I have a big feeling Joel Quenneville is going to be available.
I agree. The team has put up enough fight to give everyone hope.

If the team plays well and we dont go back to seeing the nonsense we saw earlier then I am fine keeping GG. Nothing personal, I just want the team to play well.
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Yes up to the GM to give contracts etc But it is the coach that sets the roster. It is the coach that says, so and so need to get sent down because I have better options.

Why is this even a discussion? Its beyond bizarre to think that the coach has no say which AHL players to keep to start he season and which vets to sit.
Not sure, because you're wrong.
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And if they lose 7 in a row coming out of the break?

The problem was always the inconsistency. One winning streak isn't enough to change my mind (yet).
The snek thread suggests they are more consistent this year
Apart from winning every game what does consistency look like to you?
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LOL, so the coach has no say in what players he has at his disposal fit his system and it is up to the GM to scribble the starting roster. OK then....
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LOL, so the coach has no say in what players he has at his disposal fit his system and it is up to the GM to scribble the starting roster. OK then....
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The coach does have the say
The gm makes the decision on player movement including who gets sent down
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LOL, so the coach has no say in what players he has at his disposal fit his system and it is up to the GM to scribble the starting roster. OK then....
Of course the GM and his support staff and the coaches and their support staff
all talk about every player...but in the end, and again its not up for debate, every personnel decision is up to the GM.
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The coach does have the say
The gm makes the decision on player movement including who gets sent down
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Lets back this truck back. We are still debating who made the call to send Janko down right? If GG said I want him here, he would have been there. No?

BT did not say NO you can't have him. At least I dont think he did. Is that what you guys are saying?
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:03 PM   #777
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Treliving cleared out the two situations that were festering. The Hamilton thing and the Jagr thing that wasn't working and he read the riot act to the coach.
The coach then had a clean slate and used the opportunity for the big button push with the stick throw to his point across and get that extra out of some guys. It's worked like the talk last year did. Flames still gave up points by blowing leads against division opponents as part of this streak but have pushed through it.

This is a case of the roster playing to its shown ability and what most expected what would be most nights this year. Continued rock solid goaltending in all this helps too.

Can he push buttons required of players without resorting to saving it to a single annual outburst? Can he beat the Oilers in a couple weeks?
Unlike Hartley's roster or even last year's roster, this is the level we expected them to play night in and night out, so they aren't over achieving in my opinion like previous few years rosters have.

So when this team takes a dip, and the issues stem from up front first, can he get them back on track quicker then he has shown earlier this season?
Hartley beat this his team up too much, GG didn't seem to them enough, both severity wise and frequency wise until the stick throw a couple weeks ago.

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I don't know what happened but Gulutzan had turned into a different coach. Maybe for the 1st half of the season he was MIA and a robot was behind the bench.
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Lets back this truck back. We are still debating who made the call to send Janko down right? If GG said I want him here, he would have been there. No?

BT did not say NO you can't have him. At least I dont think he did. Is that what you guys are saying?
Not gonna speculate on things I simply don’t know
Gg could have said I want him
Bt could have said ok but for now he needs to go down
Beats me
But it is the gms call
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Of course the GM and his support staff and the coaches and their support staff
all talk about every player...but in the end, and again its not up for debate, every personnel decision is up to the GM.
It is not a one man call. BT or GG or whoever. It is always a collaboration.
My point is that if GG wanted Janko to start, as he had earned, he would have started with the team. I dont believe that BT made that call to not allow GG to have him.
IMO it was GG that made that call. That was a mistake.
Same with playing Bart. Or Brouwer on the PP. All GG's decisions.
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